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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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I seem to recall he said the "only on wifi" was a temporary thing - while "we work with cell carriers" (I noted the plural : carrierS).

Hello from outside America; we don't have AT&T.

Hello from inside America; you don't really want AT&T.

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I am rather surprised that they (seemingly) didn't use a 5GHz 802.11n network. N suffers from some reliability issues as well, but the channels are much more spread out and much less utilized (the MiFi doesn't support it, last I checked), so it theoretically wouldn't have degraded nearly as much if they had used a high-mW antenna to try to cut the distance issues 5GHz suffers from.

Agreed, but 802.11n only works in the 2.4GHz range for iPhone 4: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

Well... that's useless. How disappointing.

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Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.

My claim was that there is nothing innovative in the iPhone 4 compared to the N1 and that technically speaking EVO makes it look obsolete (EVO does 1280×720 @ 25 fps, front camera, hdmi output, supports SD card etc).

The EVO and all other Android devices hav stingy minimal built-in storage (originally 256mb, now 512mb since the OS didn't fit anymore). They all have SD card slots, but they need an SD card inserted at all times to not break apps.

They've all moved the slots to underneath the battery and given up the pretense of it really being removable storage.

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It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Should be interesting.

What have all the other video-calling capable phones been using thus far? Is there no existing standard?

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Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Should be interesting.

It's actually based on already existing open standards, see http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-...

True, but being based on open standards doesn't necessarily mean that the end result won't have anything proprietary in it. Jobs saying they are going to make FaceTime an open standard seems to imply that they are adding something of their own to the mix.

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There aren't any technical reasons that can't be said to exist with HTML5. If you think so you obviously haven't looked at many of the HTML5 demos that are supposed to be as good as Flash. Second of all. I am an Apple fanboy. I have more or less everything they do and don't care whether flash is on there or not. That does not mean that I have to buy weak arguments just because they come from Jobs. And they are in my…

I frankly don't see why that would be conspiracy theory. [..] I never ever talked about unfair play. You suggest that Jobs' open letter to Adobe, and Apple's stance on Flash generally, is a deliberately deceitful and misleading cover story for some underlying real motive. Then suggest that the underlying motive is them conspiring to force Flash-using ad providers to move to iAd. Sounds like unfair play to me. Specifi…

There you go again with the strawmen.

Who is talking about deceitful or lying?

I suggest no such thing. I actually believe that Jobs believes what he writes. I just think what he writes is wrong.

Regarding a stable mobile flash implementation. You are right they haven't.

But the same can be said about HTML5 convincingly showing that it can compete with flash on other than some video, without sucking up CPU.

Showing a slideshow or some simple transition simply isn't going to cut if if you want to talk about comparative experiences.

The whole multitouch argument is also misleading as there really isn't any reason why Flash wouldn't be able to work with that. The flash player would be written specifically for the iPad/iPhone anyway so that could be solved. And rollover isn't by any metrics a problem. That too can be easily solved.

If Apple really where serious about open standards why not disallow flash on the laptops? They have far less battery life than their mobile peers so the reason to remove it from there would be just as strong.

I don't really care whether you like the things that flash is being used for and there is absolutely no reason to believe that HTML5 wont be the exact same things happening. Whether annoying banner ads or clunky recreations of gui elements.

If HTML5 is better it will end up replacing Flash. But HTML5 has a very long journey before it's anywhere close to flash. At least if it was possible to opt in or out of flash in the setting people would have a choice and we would see a natural selection process taking place.

Instead what we have is a bunch of bad excuses for why Flash shouldn't be on the iPad and iPhone.

The only thing apple get out of that is going to be substandard flash emulation with JavaScript and Canvas. Surely not something to wish for.

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Actually, that makes sense. If Flash were on the iPhoneOS devices along with some kind of cross-compile dev environment, then Adobe could develop its own iAd clone. By controlling runtimes, and development environments, Apple makes it much harder for a competitor "ad within the app" framework to exist.

How does banning Flash stop DoubleClick from releasing an Objective-C library which loads small ads from their servers for in-app display, and gives developers a cut of the revenue?

How many advertising agencies and marketing houses do you think have objective C programmers with experience in flash banners?

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I wasn't aware that the Nexus One had a gyroscope.

I don't know if it does through the same sensor but the NEXUS one is aware of its absolute position, look for "google sky maps" on youtube for examples. It may be using magnetometer (digital compass) and 3 axis accelerometer.

It almost certainly is. Sky Map works well on my G1, and that definitely doesn't have a gyroscope.

I suspect the difference will be in both speed of updates and accuracy. It doesn't matter (in fact, you won't even notice) if the phone is a little "off" when pointed at the sky, but I can't see the compass+accelerometer trick providing accurate absolute positioning for a fast-paced game.

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How does banning Flash stop DoubleClick from releasing an Objective-C library which loads small ads from their servers for in-app display, and gives developers a cut of the revenue?

How many advertising agencies and marketing houses do you think have objective C programmers with experience in flash banners?

Right, so that undercuts Adobe's developer base. That's also consistent with a strategy of favoring HTML5 over Flash.

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I frankly don't see why that would be conspiracy theory. [..] I never ever talked about unfair play. You suggest that Jobs' open letter to Adobe, and Apple's stance on Flash generally, is a deliberately deceitful and misleading cover story for some underlying real motive. Then suggest that the underlying motive is them conspiring to force Flash-using ad providers to move to iAd. Sounds like unfair play to me. Specifi…

There you go again with the strawmen. Who is talking about deceitful or lying? I suggest no such thing. I actually believe that Jobs believes what he writes. I just think what he writes is wrong. Regarding a stable mobile flash implementation. You are right they haven't. But the same can be said about HTML5 convincingly showing that it can compete with flash on other than some video, without sucking up CPU. Showing a…

Who is talking about deceitful or lying?

You are. You suggest that their officially given reasons are not their true reasons. If they aren't the true reasons then they must inherently be false reasons. Lies. Falsehoods. Misleading. Deceitful. Dishonest.

I actually believe that Jobs believes what he writes. I just think what he writes is wrong.

And this is where it turns into proper conspiracy logic. Instead of banning flash because Jobs/Apple thinks it wont run well and provide a good user experience, as claimed, you suggest that:

Apple think they could provide a good flash user experience if they want to, but they would rather ban it to convert advertisers to their ad platform, but the CEO has no idea about either the possibility of making it work or the company's actual motives, and honestly believes his own claims that they are banning flash because it cannot be adequately fixed.

If Apple really where serious about open standards why not disallow flash on the laptops? They have far less battery life than their mobile peers so the reason to remove it from there would be just as strong.

No, because they can be plugged in more easily because of the limitations on where you can use them, they aren't carried around as often while in use, and they have historically had Flash so taking it away is different from never adding it, and they don't have an app store to remove it from and they don't have a precedent or a method for controlling / curating desktop software and their desktop software isn't running a DRM'd environment so they couldn't effectively enforce it and they can support open standards on their desktops by adding safari and let Adobe deal entirely with flash which they can't do on a mobile platform with a very restrictive constraints which they would have to ensure it met.

there is absolutely no reason to believe that HTML5 wont be the exact same things happening.

OK.

If HTML5 is better it will end up replacing Flash

Not true. Better is too vague and better doesn't always win anyway.

At least if it was possible to opt in or out of flash in the setting people would have a choice

People have a choice - Android. We'll see if Android sales skyrocket because of Flash support.

Instead what we have is a bunch of bad excuses for why Flash shouldn't be on the iPad and iPhone.

It's irrelevent whether they 'should', the iPhone is an Apple product and the only reason things get on it or not is because Apple want it that way. 'Should' doesn't come into it.

The only thing apple get out of that is going to be substandard flash emulation with JavaScript and Canvas.

Again, no. Apple get browser stability, reduced engineering costs, reduced support costs, more polished and more pleasant user experience - the main things they are selling.

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