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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by cwilson » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:27 PM UTC

someone_here wrote: post #98

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You and many others are missing the point of why this is epic. When was the last time a device with so much market penetration and insane adoption rates allowed video chat in such a simple way? The reason it is epic is because this is the first time it'll actually work. Who cares about N900s? Does my grandma know what an N900 is?

Does your grandma have an iphone 4G hooked up to Wifi, and a friend that has an iphone 4G hooked up to wifi? My father has an N900, and he video calls europe every day. I didn't need to show him how to use it or anything.

She doesn't, but I'm guessing she will as soon as she sees that nice commercial that shows grandparents talking to their grandkids.

Hooked up to Wifi? Is that hard to do? Or are you making the point that it's wifi only for now. Jobs specifically stated that they are working with carriers to support it. That means it's coming. Baby steps. This is what Apple does. We don't always get the full package with iteration 1, but when it does come they do it right (see copy/paste, see multi-tasking).

I don't know a single person who owns an N900, and I don't know a single person outside of a very small group of tech friends who knows what one is. I'd guess that 80% of the people in my friends/family/work circles have Apple devices, most of which are iPhones.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by jokermatt999 » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:27 PM UTC

bbatsell wrote: post #103

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Sure, but why didn't they use directional antennas to get a demo-dedicated network on the stage? Which would be a good permanent feature for any big conference room come to think of it.

That doesn't eliminate the problem of interference from all of the other networks on the same channel (or on the neighboring channel that shares part of the spectrum), which are all using omnidirectional antennas. It can help, certainly, but 570 Wi-Fi networks in one ballroom is going to be hell on any network chip trying to sort through all the noise.

Clearly the solution is to stick a Faraday Cage in between the audience and the stage.

Seriously though, I know very little of these matters, but it does seem like there should be some sort of solution developed for them with the frequency that these issues keep cropping up in major tech demos. It seems embarrassing that companies that are supposed to be innovative and great with technology are being stymied by the lack of WiFi.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by mike-cardwell » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:27 PM UTC

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In that case my current iPhone has hd video at 1 fp5s. If it isn't at least 23.976 fps then it isn't hd video. Period.

Let me be clear because here it seems I get a waterfall of downvotes for daring saying something against an apple product. Multitouch = innovation Apple store = innovation GPS = innovation UI thought for mobiles = innovation Apple came out first with those things. Then people catched up. This time what is the innovation? A bit more pixels on the display and the farmville client? Are you kidding me?

You think the iPhone was the first phone with GPS...?

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by philwelch » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:29 PM UTC

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Hurr Hurr but look at the pictures - it's on WiFi. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-...

So the wifi is saturated because there are 500 people streaming photos and tweets from the hall. C'mon. Can't Apple just live stream these keynotes from here on out? Everyone on all sides knows these announcements are in the public sphere 250 milliseconds after Steve says it. For being so controlling of their media message, why let the bloggers run the final leg?

They used to live stream them all the time, but this was many years ago. I don't think making the event more exclusive is part of it--there are already tons of reasons for Apple developers to go to WWDC.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by tibbon » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:30 PM UTC

weeksie wrote: post #57

The FaceTime thing is epic. That said, it just gets more and more dangerous to go out and get hammered and start drunk-dialing people . . . The number of post-bender apologies that I usually have to make will probably go up by at least 50%.

Due to your comment I just registered FaceTimesFromLastNight.com

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by axod » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:30 PM UTC

cwilson wrote: post #78

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The N900 has skype and google talk video calling already, and people don't call that epic. It also works on 3G, unlike the iphone.

You and many others are missing the point of why this is epic. When was the last time a device with so much market penetration and insane adoption rates allowed video chat in such a simple way? The reason it is epic is because this is the first time it'll actually work. Who cares about N900s? Does my grandma know what an N900 is?

huh? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or what. Hardly anyone has an iPhone in the real world. Most still have crappy Nokia thingys.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by crocowhile » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:31 PM UTC

houseabsolute wrote: post #126

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Let me be clear because here it seems I get a waterfall of downvotes for daring saying something against an apple product. Multitouch = innovation Apple store = innovation GPS = innovation UI thought for mobiles = innovation Apple came out first with those things. Then people catched up. This time what is the innovation? A bit more pixels on the display and the farmville client? Are you kidding me?

Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.

My claim was that there is nothing innovative in the iPhone 4 compared to the N1 and that technically speaking EVO makes it look obsolete (EVO does 1280×720 @ 25 fps, front camera, hdmi output, supports SD card etc).

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by cwilson » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:32 PM UTC

davidw wrote: post #111

cwilson wrote: post #78

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You and many others are missing the point of why this is epic. When was the last time a device with so much market penetration and insane adoption rates allowed video chat in such a simple way? The reason it is epic is because this is the first time it'll actually work. Who cares about N900s? Does my grandma know what an N900 is?

My Nokia 6120 has video calls, and it's certainly not one of their really high end products. They're easy to set up, and work fairly well, but I have only ever really used it once or twice - it's honestly not that compelling a feature. Likely, Apple will do a better job of it, but "first time it'll actually work" is hyperbole. For a bit of hyperbole of my own, let's try "first time Americans, who have been the laggar…

I agree with you -- that's a better way of putting it. Does it change anything? I'm American, a very large majority of the people I talk to on the phone use iPhones to do so. I suspect there are many others like me out there. That is why I am speculating this will "actually work".

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by jodrellblank » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:32 PM UTC

Daishiman wrote: post #89

crocowhile wrote: post #67

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It's not matter of features count. It's matter of innovative features. Hardly anything innovative in this product.

Why is the parent being downvoted? It's true! This are just evolutionary improvements for some things and playing catch-up with others. Doesn't stop it from being a great product, but it's not the aweomest thing Steve wants you to believe.

In what way isn't it awesome? It's faster, smaller, brighter, screenier, cameraier, videoier, batterier, storagier, more sensor laden, better looking, and runs better more useful software.

I agree that it's not spouting a coffee filter and electric razor, but strongly disagree that you can step to "not innovative" "meh, useless catchup".

One part of not being measured at features/$ checklist is not being measured at -$ per lack of never seen before feature.

You've seen the Netflix announcement, now take a look at this:

http://lonelysandwich.com/post/662129889/ipad-tv

1 day ago that was posted, today we have a HD camera, iMovie and videophone announcement on a device with an upgraded screen, and talk of working with carriers for videophoning (i.e. transmitting video over the cellular networks).

This "no innovation" device might not need a USB hoover attachment to be a cornerstone piece for turning another major industry upside down in a way that others could not mostly by virtue of lots of integration, evolutionary changes and a pleasant enough UI that people wont resist.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by bbatsell » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:32 PM UTC

jokermatt999 wrote: post #132

bbatsell wrote: post #103

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That doesn't eliminate the problem of interference from all of the other networks on the same channel (or on the neighboring channel that shares part of the spectrum), which are all using omnidirectional antennas. It can help, certainly, but 570 Wi-Fi networks in one ballroom is going to be hell on any network chip trying to sort through all the noise.

Clearly the solution is to stick a Faraday Cage in between the audience and the stage. Seriously though, I know very little of these matters, but it does seem like there should be some sort of solution developed for them with the frequency that these issues keep cropping up in major tech demos. It seems embarrassing that companies that are supposed to be innovative and great with technology are being stymied by the l…

I am rather surprised that they (seemingly) didn't use a 5GHz 802.11n network. N suffers from some reliability issues as well, but the channels are much more spread out and much less utilized (the MiFi doesn't support it, last I checked), so it theoretically wouldn't have degraded nearly as much if they had used a high-mW antenna to try to cut the distance issues 5GHz suffers from.