Did anybody notice the photo of the wiring rack? No wonder the inmates could get away w/ running cables: http://static-26.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/a6609...
Looks like they need... port security.
Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That depends on the situation but is ultimately un-important It actually is very important because this is exactly what distinguishes between labour slavery and ordinary paid work. Economic rules is not something that one can decide whether it applies or not. It's like telling that mathematical axioms don't apply in prison - sure, you can make people believe that 2 + 2 = 5 but this is nothing more than just rejecti…
> It actually is very important because this is exactly what distinguishes between labour slavery and ordinary paid work. "Ordinary paid work" that pays less than a dollar an hour. And if you don't go you are put in solitary, instead of just being fired. That means you don't see any other people. Ever. If they really don't like you they can put you on the loaf, too. Look that up. And that "opportunity" for "ordinary…
> "Ordinary paid work" that pays less than a dollar an hour.
This is why I'm saying that this work should be paid with fair rates.
I think you've made a lot of false assumptions about myself, about who I am and about my "perspective" and "awareness".
Everyone has to work to live and I'm really surprised that expecting this from inmates can be perceived as dehumanising.
> (Ask me what comes out of the hole when someone gets repeatedly stabbed with a sharpened toothbrush and what color it is. Hint: not red. That's reality.)
With all due respect to your past experience, bad things happen to people outside of prison too, believe me - I'm in touch with reality.
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> I'm not seeing anything unfair here Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. > the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. This is very naive way of looking at it. > you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth Wow, it didn't ta…
> This is very naive way of looking at it. Why? The concept of prison is literally society funding a project to keep undesirable crime out of said society. That's fundamentally and exactly what it is. Calling that naive is like saying water being able to drown you is a naive position to hold. I suggest visiting a lawless nation to observe what paying for prison does. > Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers f…
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not seeing anything unfair here Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers for the money taken forcibly from an average Joe who works 12h a day to provide to his family is totally fair. > the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons. This is very naive way of looking at it. > you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth Wow, it didn't ta…
> This is very naive way of looking at it. Why? The concept of prison is literally society funding a project to keep undesirable crime out of said society. That's fundamentally and exactly what it is. Calling that naive is like saying water being able to drown you is a naive position to hold. I suggest visiting a lawless nation to observe what paying for prison does. > Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers f…
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> They are humans
I've never said that they aren't.
But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Violent offenders tend to serve longer sentences than others (expected to be ~3 times longer on average than most other categories, according to the BJS article you reference), which is part of the reason they make up such a large part of the prison population at any given time. In terms of number of people sent to prison, they're less prominent: again from the BJS article, admissions to state prisons in 2009 with se…
In this context we're talking about P(person did something bad|person is currently in state prison), so the relevant statistics are the ones I cited. Your statistics would be relevant if we were talking about P(person did something bad|person has ever been to state prison).
No, we're talking about the reasons why people end up in prison.
> People end up in prison for a reason.
- banthum, in grandparent of your previous comment.
> Ye[s] they end up there for a reason, but it's not the reason you think.
- djsumdog, in immediate parent of your previous comment,
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Right. You can learn a lot of Javascript by breaking up old computers. This isn't an "education", its just slave labour.
Learning JavaScript is the only "computer skill?" Assembling computers isn't a job?
Assembly is a job, but that job pays minimum wage. The skills required are trivial.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is very naive way of looking at it. Why? The concept of prison is literally society funding a project to keep undesirable crime out of said society. That's fundamentally and exactly what it is. Calling that naive is like saying water being able to drown you is a naive position to hold. I suggest visiting a lawless nation to observe what paying for prison does. > Yeah, because feeding and housing drug dealers f…
(New throw away account because HN doesn't like when people with unpopular opinion to post too many comments here.) > They are humans I've never said that they aren't. But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here.
> But hey, if expecting someone to work in exchange for food and housing is "dehumanizing" and "laughable" then I've got nothing else to add here.
Do you believe the work prisoners do pay for their incarceration costs?
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#198Here's hoping they didn't smuggle a full size ATX motherboard through the facility using the 'old fashioned' prison method. Or even a 3.5" SATA hard drive...
I know you guys are joking, but there is a whole class of cell phone that is designed specifically with the prison market in mind. Not too sure on the specs of the higher end models though.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/27/18/329808C00000057...
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...freedom for a specified period of time should be the total of their debt to society. I always find the retributionist theory unconfortable. I'd rather understand incarceration as a protection for potential new victims and a warning to others. Also it should be a way to "fix" the inmates, but unfortunately that's often wishful thinking.
There is some merit to it. In games where there is common good, one way to avoid tragedy of commons is by punishment.
That's not retribution but "general prevention", a signal to others.
Retribution is in the neighbourhood of religion. Nobody but gods can really know what happened and what was the exact intention.
At the time eye for an eye appeared (Hammurabi) it was a way to limit vengeance, that used to snowball very quickly.
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>People have gone to the prison in the past solely because of the color of their skin or because of their religion. The only inmate named in the story was a white guy who who murdered someone during a robbery. http://odrc.drc.ohio.gov/OffenderSearch/details.aspx?id=A414...
I said in the past. In America, they were called Jim Crow laws. Though this has happened all over the world.
We are not talking about the past, we talking about today.