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Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Apple decided making wifi hardware was too hard, but they can make cars?

My guess: they saw a flooded market with no brand loyalty because its a box that sits unnoticed in an office or living room and said "We can leave the scraps for Linksys and TP-Link" then saw Tesla's margins and said "Yeah, that looks nice."

Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every car sold

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-teslamotors-cash-insight-i...

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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In some markets, it is more about getting it right than getting in at the right time. We've seen many carcasses of products that were ahead of their time, not because they were bad ideas but because they were not formulated for mass adoption. Apple's own Newton is one example. It took the iPhone formulation to make the product features successful in the market. A more recent example is the telepresence robot. Many en…

> "There aren't many really big tech markets left" I've heard this repeatedly over the years. There are ALWAYS new markets. You just have to look in the right places, or wait for new pareto frontiers to open up.

There are massive, momentous opportunities to create billions of dollars of value in tech in the next decades and beyond. Just imagine every thing you could conceive of that should be physically possible, but no one does currently. The space is almost unbelievably big.

Granted, most of the things you would come up with are currently infeasible due to technological or scientific prerequisites not being available yet, but many of them are also in the realm of "possible, but no one has figured it out yet".

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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It's tempting to strap random hardware to your roof to make other drivers fear you and give you more space.

hahahaha

Since I can no longer delete this, I'll just say, I genuinely thought it was a joke!

Is there a way to express appreciation of humor on HN without getting down voted?

(Obviously 'lol' / 'haha' are looked down upon here)

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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I'm not sure that's correct. The self driving car should have stayed in its lane because an accident between two cars is preferable to an accident between a cyclist and a car, especially if the cyclist is not otherwise involved. Self driving cars should protect the weaker traffic participants, not use their space as a 'get out of the way' option if that space is occupied.

Perhaps the car calculated that it could safely enter the bike lane. It doesn't matter if it was close.

I don't buy that. It could never have predicted how the cyclist would react.

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Articles like http://www.recode.net/platform/amp/2016/6/10/11904942/google... seem to point to Apple TV being easily outsold by Amazon and Google.

During 2015-16 I was given 3 or 4 opportunities to get a free Chromecast, and I got one. It sits barely used now, in one of the rarely visited HDMI inputs on my TV. I wonder how many of those "sold" devices were actually given away and forgotten. Chromecast cannot possibly be considered usable by most because it follows a weirdo, google-style, controlled-by-the-browser (but only Chrome) model. It is the most absurd w…

I have the exact opposite feeling. Love Chromecast and don't care about Apple TV.

Even if I open a torrent file on my laptop, it automatically starts streaming to the Chromecast.

I'm honestly suprised that someone dares to say that the Chromecast isn't successful/usable

Ps. I have 3 Chromecasts and 1 Chromecast audio

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Heres a question, I know a lot of companies are investing their time/money into working on self-driving cars.. but from what I see, a lot of the cars use the same sensor. LIDAR and cameras being the main sensors. Of course, we have already seen Tesla perform well with these sensors. However, my question: Is/Was this industry only held back by sensing? edit: Restructure paragraph Regards,

The real asset is likely all the collected data from the sensors, and not the sensors themselves. The early players have a substantial head start. Their AI software basically has a huge private training corpus that makes it perform better. Tesla would suffer a bit since their data is less rich without lidar, but make up for some of that with the larger aggregate miles traveled. Not to say some players don't have bett…

Also, Tesla probably has a plan B for duct-taping LIDAR sensors onto their production cars in case the whole camera + radar + ultrasound approach doesn't work out (or if LIDARs come down in price and turn out to make the system more reliable). With a massive vehicle base and global network of service centers, there should be a possibility there.

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99% of situations are the "easy" part. It is the last 1% that will take a long time. Snow. Rain. Missing headlight. Etc.

Can't we just accept that the car won't drive itself in the snow or rain or with a missing headlight? I'd find that totally reasonable, and get back behind the wheel to take my own risks in a snowstorm (or ... you know... stay at home like the advisories always tell you to).

I would absolutely not find it reasonable if my "self-driving" car won't drive itself in the rain or snow, given that in my climate, it is raining or snowing >270 out of every 360 days of the year.

Such a product would still have a large market value since there are nice climates with dense populations in the world too, but not everyone lives in California.

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Imagine going back to the early 1980s and seeing people argue that the personal computer market was too crowded, and there was no way anyone was ever going to make any money in it. The whole thing had played out. Big companies owned the software market. Big companies owned the games. Big companies owned the peripherals. What could possibly be left? Wait, what's a laptop? What's a workgroup server? What's email? None…

My 12th grade computing science instructor (who was admittedly horrible) said that she didn't see much of a future programming computers, because pretty much all of the computer programs that were required had been created, and all that was left was to improve the speed, size of documents allowed, and maybe add a few extra features. This was in Spring, 1987.

My father had a completely different experience. His ancient physics teacher said, "computers my boy...they are the future". This would have been some time in the 1970's.

Of-course dad didn't listen and went on to have a unremarkable career as a Structural Engineer.

A real shame as I'm sure he would have made an excellent programmer. I like to tease him over what-ifs - especially as he shares a birthday with Bill Gates.

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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In some markets, it is more about getting it right than getting in at the right time. We've seen many carcasses of products that were ahead of their time, not because they were bad ideas but because they were not formulated for mass adoption. Apple's own Newton is one example. It took the iPhone formulation to make the product features successful in the market. A more recent example is the telepresence robot. Many en…

> Apple TV

Profitable and doing billions of dollars of revenue a quarter.

Losers?

Re: Apple receives permit in California to test self-driving cars

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Your reasoning is excellent. The only problem is that Apple doesn't have sufficient drive, talent, or reputation, in the auto industry to actually make and sell a good car. No employee wants to leave Tesla to work at Apple. No consumer wants to buy a car made by Apple. Hopefully Tim and the gang won't blow through too much money before they accept that. They're pretty good at making phones and computers. They might w…

Your reasoning is excellent. The only problem is that Apple doesn't have sufficient drive, talent, or reputation, in the cell phone industry to actually make and sell a good cell phone. No employee wants to leave Motorola to work at Apple. No consumer wants to buy a phone made by Apple. Hopefully Steve and the gang won't blow through too much money before they accept that. They're pretty good at making computers. The…

Bingo.
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