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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by younata »

crocowhile wrote: post #137
houseabsolute wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.

My claim was that there is nothing innovative in the iPhone 4 compared to the N1 and that technically speaking EVO makes it look obsolete (EVO does 1280×720 @ 25 fps, front camera, hdmi output, supports SD card etc).

for the record. 720p is 1280 x 720. As you said, the evo is 25 fps the iphone is at 30 fps, with the same resolution.

This is being pedantic, and doesn't really help the argument that the iphone 4 is better, but, at least one of your points is invalid.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by nixme »

bbatsell wrote: post #140
jokermatt999 wrote: post #132

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Clearly the solution is to stick a Faraday Cage in between the audience and the stage. Seriously though, I know very little of these matters, but it does seem like there should be some sort of solution developed for them with the frequency that these issues keep cropping up in major tech demos. It seems embarrassing that companies that are supposed to be innovative and great with technology are being stymied by the l…

I am rather surprised that they (seemingly) didn't use a 5GHz 802.11n network. N suffers from some reliability issues as well, but the channels are much more spread out and much less utilized (the MiFi doesn't support it, last I checked), so it theoretically wouldn't have degraded nearly as much if they had used a high-mW antenna to try to cut the distance issues 5GHz suffers from.

Agreed, but 802.11n only works in the 2.4GHz range for iPhone 4: http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by stevejohnson »

This will probably get lost in the noise, but I want to make an important point about the WiFi issues: it's not because there were too many users, but rather that there were too many access points. There were _570_ access points in the room, probably the result of people bringing along their MiFis and similar devices. Running a 571th device would not have solved that problem.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by ThomPete »

stcredzero wrote: post #170
ThomPete wrote: post #58

I am beginning to wonder whether iAds is the reason Apple don't want Flash on their mobile devices.

Actually, that makes sense. If Flash were on the iPhoneOS devices along with some kind of cross-compile dev environment, then Adobe could develop its own iAd clone. By controlling runtimes, and development environments, Apple makes it much harder for a competitor "ad within the app" framework to exist.

Thank you for at least entertaining the thought without reading all sorts of conspiracy theories into it.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by masklinn »

awolf wrote: post #129
nixme wrote: post #75

Re: iOS 4 upgrade price, "We finally found a way to get them for free to our iPod touch users." I'd guess the GAAP changes Apple lobbied for [1] made the difference. [1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/09/accounting-rules-c...

Ah interesting. I'm a cynic: I assumed their motive for doing this was to make their iAd platform more compelling to advertisers.

Though it probably helped as well.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by masklinn »

tvon wrote: post #66
NZ_Matt wrote: post #60

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It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Should be interesting.

There was a slide pointing out that it was based on existing technologies already.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by snissn »

dkokelley wrote: post #153
jasongullickson wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Accelerometers can only detect orientation relative to gravity, gyros can detect it relative to themselves. This is the same thing that Nintendo added to their controllers a few months ago. For example I wrote an app that calculates Horsepower based on weight and acceleration, however it's hard to determine if detected acceleration is due to the vehicle or gravity (if the device tips or tilts during the test). By hav…

Also, astronauts can now use the iPhone effectively in space.

' "With Farmville on the iPhone, you'll be able to farm anytime, anywhere." '

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by all_elements »

jokermatt999 wrote: post #86
mclin wrote: post #80

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It's not smart phones that do this legacy video chat, it's 3G feature phones, which are pretty much non-existent in NA. Pretty much every [candybar, flip] phone in asia has 3G and a front facing camera, so you can video call anyone, anytime. Part of the reason people don't is because it costs extra. Actually since these phones were around before youtube and real mobile browsing, the main marketed reason to get a 3G p…

I honestly did not realize that the adoption of them was that widespread. Thank you for the correction, that definitely does make a difference to my post. Still, don't you think that video chat at no extra cost will be a rather huge innovation? If part of the reason it isn't used is because of the cost, wouldn't make it free help that? I know that video calling isn't necessarily better in plenty of cases, so I don't…

I think people are underestimating how much of a barrier usability is w.r.t. making video calls. The reason people like voice calls is because it gets the job done quickly. I am not sure how Apple has implemented video calls. But imagine if their implementation is as follows: 1) You call somebody via a voice call 2) The call goes through and you start talking 3) The apple clients on both devices detect that they are connected to WiFi and they start setting up a video call connection in the background while you are still chatting 4) In about 10s after the conversation started, you start getting a video feed.

Wouldn't that be awesome? Wouldn't you use this free feature if it came at no cost? I know I'd LOVE it.

Other than the points highlighted above (and cost of video call), the big question is how are video calls done in Asia. Does it require the user to spend more than 3-4 secs to set up a video call (check if the other person has video call support, is he on the same network, do some prior WiFi settings, etc.). If so then that is a big barrier. And Apple definitely has the usability smarts to break that down.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by fjabre »

It looks like Apple now represents a very real and serious competitive threat to Google's #1 money maker: ads.

They now control a 3rd of the mobile market (iPads excluded) and are seemingly poised to continue this trend with the new iPhone packing several new and revolutionary killer features. Again this excludes the sold-every-3-seconds iPads. We all know that they'll get the lion's share of what's left of RIM and Windows mobile in a year or two.

Also, Jobs definitely didn't hold back when introducing Bing and iAds during the presentation.

I'm a little uneasy about all of this of course. I love the web and have devoted much of my career to building web apps that run on laptops and netbooks but I have to say, love it or hate it, Apple is bringing some serious game changing shit to the table and continues to iterate faster than anyone can catch up.

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