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As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Houses in New Zealand are mad expensive. Auckland (for instance) now has an average house price over $1M, about $700k US. It is, I believe, the fourth least affordable housing market in the world after Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver.

Looks like the Auckland median price is NZ$890K, which is roughly US$623K. Here in Seattle, the median price just hit US$700K... Auckland doesn't sound so bad!

If its anything like Sydney, Australia then you should look at the quality of the houses too - not just the median house price. I remember looking at houses in Sydney and given the size, quality, and look they would cost half as much here in the Bay area. They can be tiny, tiny even for our standards and cost over 1 mil.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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My target is to live in Sweden after I finish grad school. I've been looking at ECE positions to gauge the market, and it strangely seems pretty small. The good thing is that Sweden has a special 1 year work visa deal with several countries including Australia, which I am a citizen of. My plan is to use that year to do some direct job hunting and also make sure I like the country!

You'll love it, I was there for a few weeks last year, and loved every minute! (I'm from NZ)

That's great to hear; it is an amazing country after all! I always joke with my family that if I could choose my country of origin, it would be Sweden! My parents (originally Tunisian) usually end up nodding in agreement :)

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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So I'm in essentially this situation and I concur that my salary does not completely adjust to an SV/Bay Area salary. But there are also 3 things that do not seem possible at once despite the extra money which keep me from pursuing opportunities in tech hubs: I'm ~5 minutes from biking/hiking/outdoors, ~10 minutes from work, and have a house with a shop/garage. So far as I can tell if I were to move to a tech hub I m…

You can get the ~5 minutes from biking/hiking/outdoors and ~10 minutes to work in Silicon Valley. I used to live in Mountain View and bike into my job at Google; it took 12 minutes. 5 minute walk and I was on the trail; 15 minute bike ride and I could be at the bayshore; 20 minute drive and I'd be in the mountains; hour drive and I'd be at the beach. I work from home now, but those numbers would be the same from my c…

C'mon. Which exactly "trail" you mean? Trails around bay are not exactly same as other outdoor trails.

Closest "real" hiking trails start along Skyline Boulevard - there's plenty of them but it is not close.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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So I'm in essentially this situation and I concur that my salary does not completely adjust to an SV/Bay Area salary. But there are also 3 things that do not seem possible at once despite the extra money which keep me from pursuing opportunities in tech hubs: I'm ~5 minutes from biking/hiking/outdoors, ~10 minutes from work, and have a house with a shop/garage. So far as I can tell if I were to move to a tech hub I m…

You can get the ~5 minutes from biking/hiking/outdoors and ~10 minutes to work in Silicon Valley. I used to live in Mountain View and bike into my job at Google; it took 12 minutes. 5 minute walk and I was on the trail; 15 minute bike ride and I could be at the bayshore; 20 minute drive and I'd be in the mountains; hour drive and I'd be at the beach. I work from home now, but those numbers would be the same from my c…

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Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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I'm an expat kiwi would would have loved to move back from the US over the past few years, but unfortunately it suffers from a similar problem to the San Fran/SV scene here. Most tech employers are in Auckland, and the housing prices are insane. Remote work isn't embraced even a tenth of what it could or should be. I love it there, but for the kind of environment I'd need (affordable family home + strong job propsect…

Do what I did - move back home somewhere cheap, keep your US job. Living in Dunedin on my silicon valley salary, as I have for the past 15 years or so (I lived in the Bay Area for 20 years), is a good place to be, trading my over-inflated Bay Area house for a good mortgage free one here helps too.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Good luck courting new tech talent when existing tech talent gets hung out to dry at the first hint of pressure. See Kim Dotcom's troubles for reference.

The NZ government bending over for the US government was not exactly very popular with the locals. A different government may have had a stronger spine. You also forgot the part where Kim Dotcom is a convicted fraudster, who was making money through deliberate violation of copyright, is all tech talent like him? Oh, and then there was the time he tried to get involved in NZ politics. That was not superpopular.

> a convicted fraudster, who was making money through deliberate violation of copyright

Violating copyright is not a crime in NZ, neither is it when former felons do it.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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When I think of NZ, I imagine South Pacific beaches, lush forests of emu and kiwi and other exotic animals, and the landscape of the Lord of the Rings film trilogy. What natural beauty does Tulsa have?

If you end up in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch you could be just in another big city anywhere in the world, you may be within an hour or twos drive of some of the above descriptors but you wont be looking out of your home or office window at them unless you can drop a million dollars on a house. Get real guys.

Within driving distance sounds like a good deal to me.

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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If you like the sound of NZ but don't want to commit to such a big move, come check out British Columbia. We're like NZ lite. :)

NZ lite... more like the inverse. Vancouver and specifically BC has a lot of similarities to NZ yes, including the frequent liquid sunshine. Having spent approx half my working life in (Wellington/Vancouver) I'd say Vancouver would be a more natural fit for our US cousins. However that said you can't beat NZ for internal travel, day trips, adventure tourism. Its basically a compact version of British Columbia.

Remember than NZ is a long thin country that spans very roughly the same distance north-south as the US West Coast (it's just that you grew up with those maps where the Northern Hemisphere is twice the size of the Southern).

It also spans roughly the same range of climates - Dunedin where I live is Seattle/VancouverBC sort of climate (and the southern West Coast is very Olympic Peninsular subtropical rain forest). On the other hand Auckland/Northland is Californiaish but with more tropical moisture because we're an island and not a continent

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Yes, I may have that wrong. At the time I was a contractor so the fear was the following situation per "If you're a New Zealand resident, you're taxed on your worldwide income." If we wanted to eventually become residents of NZ, which we did, and I was obtaining income in the US, NZ and US would both tax me for that income. It seemed, however, less likely that NZ would approve me for immigration if I was not intendin…

> NZ and US would both tax me for that income. Declaring your income does not mean that both will tax you.

yes there is a tax treaty, you can write off tax you pay in one country in the other - so no double taxation - remember NZ income taxes are lower than US ones (especially when you include social security and state taxes)

Re: As New Zealand Courts Tech Talent, Isolation Becomes a Draw

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Yuck. This whole thing is a massive failure, and will always be a massive failure. New Zealand does not need to 'court tech talent'. New Zealand has a net exodus of trained IT professionals, and the reason for that is low wages. That's the simple reality.

So what do companies that are starved for people do? They don't raise their wages, as the market would dictate. They make plenty of money, they COULD raise them. No, instead they just lobby the Government to put software engineering on the rubbish that is the 'skills shortage list', the biggest scam around. Then the Government makes it almost trivial for people to immigrate here if they can claim to be a software engineer, and suddenly there's no problem: plenty of supply.

The net result is New Zealanders go and work in the U.K. or the U.S., and are then replaced with Indians who come to work here in New Zealand. That's a stupid way of doing things. The skills shortage lists should be abolished and those companies should actually raise their wages if they want to keep graduates and experienced developers in NZ, and attract actual talent (as opposed to poorly paid immigrant workers and people coming in on student visas, getting internships and then getting jobs here).

I know that this is HN and I'll almost certainly get banned for saying this, but it's quite right that Peter Thiel's bullshit citizenship has created an uproar in New Zealand. He's someone that has made money, like every other billionaire in existence, through exploiting other people, and then has turned around and used that money to fund meaningless crap startups and is now buying his way into small countries.

New Zealand legalised gay marriage well before the US did. We are a very liberal country, both economically and socially - not in the sense that Americans think that word has, but in the actual literal meaning of the word 'liberal' - and we don't appreciate the Government expediting the citizenship application of the sort of person that would donate to Donald Trump.

Anyway, the only thing Rod Drury wants is more workers, more labour, less wages, less costs. He's a businessman.

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