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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by houseabsolute » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:18 PM UTC

crocowhile wrote: post #69

houseabsolute wrote: post #61

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You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and…

N1 has hd video at 20fps. display is better, ok. guitar hero, netflix and farmville I would not call them innovations. farmville is a way to overcome flash of course.

> http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs...

Takes 480p video at maybe-20 fps. If 480p is HD, then my bad, but the iPhone 4 is doing 720p video at 30 fps.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by jodrellblank » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

joezydeco wrote: post #37

jodrellblank wrote: post #10

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Hurr Hurr but look at the pictures - it's on WiFi. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-...

So the wifi is saturated because there are 500 people streaming photos and tweets from the hall. C'mon. Can't Apple just live stream these keynotes from here on out? Everyone on all sides knows these announcements are in the public sphere 250 milliseconds after Steve says it. For being so controlling of their media message, why let the bloggers run the final leg?

Who would go there and pay to pay full attention to him speaking if they could watch him speak for free online while doing other things too?

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by DrSprout » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

jokermatt999 wrote: post #86

mclin wrote: post #80

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It's not smart phones that do this legacy video chat, it's 3G feature phones, which are pretty much non-existent in NA. Pretty much every [candybar, flip] phone in asia has 3G and a front facing camera, so you can video call anyone, anytime. Part of the reason people don't is because it costs extra. Actually since these phones were around before youtube and real mobile browsing, the main marketed reason to get a 3G p…

I honestly did not realize that the adoption of them was that widespread. Thank you for the correction, that definitely does make a difference to my post. Still, don't you think that video chat at no extra cost will be a rather huge innovation? If part of the reason it isn't used is because of the cost, wouldn't make it free help that? I know that video calling isn't necessarily better in plenty of cases, so I don't…

This really isn't that big of a shift from Skype et al. until it's available on 3G. And you know what? I haven't used a webcam in years. Not an extraordinarily useful piece of technology, and it's still not the best experience even on wired networks (because the wired networks have been frozen in time here in the States.)

And as for it being at normal data rates on 3G, I'll believe it when I see it. (It can't be free.)

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Post by earcar » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:19 PM UTC

tvon wrote: post #66

NZ_Matt wrote: post #60

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It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Should be interesting.

It's actually based on already existing open standards, see http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-...

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Post by tibbon » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:20 PM UTC

FluidDjango wrote: post #92

gokhan wrote: post #71

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They have to. It will be dead otherwise, based on the current prerequisites (iOS4 to iOS4, only on wifi)

I seem to recall he said the "only on wifi" was a temporary thing - while "we work with cell carriers" (I noted the plural : carrierS).

I have to wonder how long it will take to work out with AT&T. Skype and tethering took a year for AT&T to get around to.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by houseabsolute » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:20 PM UTC

crocowhile wrote: post #107

evgen wrote: post #88

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In that case my current iPhone has hd video at 1 fp5s. If it isn't at least 23.976 fps then it isn't hd video. Period.

Let me be clear because here it seems I get a waterfall of downvotes for daring saying something against an apple product. Multitouch = innovation Apple store = innovation GPS = innovation UI thought for mobiles = innovation Apple came out first with those things. Then people catched up. This time what is the innovation? A bit more pixels on the display and the farmville client? Are you kidding me?

Your original claim was that it was obsolete on arrival and had little to do with innovation. You also claimed that Android had feature equivalency with the newly announced iPhone but were selective about the features that are equivalent. Finally, you claimed implicitly that the feature list is what makes the phone, which is obviously untrue. That's why you're getting downvotes.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by buro9 » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:21 PM UTC

cwilson wrote: post #78

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The N900 has skype and google talk video calling already, and people don't call that epic. It also works on 3G, unlike the iphone.

You and many others are missing the point of why this is epic. When was the last time a device with so much market penetration and insane adoption rates allowed video chat in such a simple way? The reason it is epic is because this is the first time it'll actually work. Who cares about N900s? Does my grandma know what an N900 is?

Now you're missing the point.

When I was in Sweden last (some 5 years ago) I was blown away during a bus journey by watching a deaf person signing into a bog standard Nokia with her friend on the screen signing back.

Now that's epic.

5 years ago. Commodity mass-market phone. Watching a deaf person video conference on public transport.

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Post by bonsaitree » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:22 PM UTC

karzeem wrote: post #83

siculars wrote: post #49

CNN is streaming the keynote 30 minutes behind real-time. http://www.cnn.com

Wow. You know you've got marketing down when CNN's top story is simply a feed of your product announcement.

I think that's more a reflection of CNN's lax journalism.

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Post by awolf » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:24 PM UTC

nixme wrote: post #75

Re: iOS 4 upgrade price, "We finally found a way to get them for free to our iPod touch users." I'd guess the GAAP changes Apple lobbied for [1] made the difference. [1] http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/09/accounting-rules-c...

Ah interesting.

I'm a cynic: I assumed their motive for doing this was to make their iAd platform more compelling to advertisers.

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Post by jonknee » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 7:25 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #115

jonknee wrote: post #99

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Except it's not hands free, laptops have the camera in a pretty good position without any additional effort.

But to be in that situation, you've already committed to sitting.

So yes, it will be perfect when I'm standing up near my WiFi hotspot and want to video chat with someone I know who has the same brand new phone as I do and is also standing up near their WiFi hotspot.

I'm quite surprised that it's not at least compatible with the video calls in iChat. 3G will definitely happen, but they have a built-in base of millions of users on iChat that could have helped kick things off.