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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard." Should be interesting.

They have to. It will be dead otherwise, based on the current prerequisites (iOS4 to iOS4, only on wifi)

I seem to recall he said the "only on wifi" was a temporary thing - while "we work with cell carriers" (I noted the plural: carrierS).

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Smart phones were available in the US for ages before the iPhone, yet Jobs' and Apple's star power helped them to become more widespread. The whole "reality distortion field" can be used for good if it's to help spread adoption of interesting technologies, imo. I think the fact that it's coming from Apple will help adoption, even if the implementation is the same or even worse.

Really? The iPhone success is a result of a "reality distortion field"? That is essentially what you are saying, that it has all been a result of smoke 'n mirrors and "star power". But it hasn't. For all of the criticisms you can throw and Apple decisions, the iPhone has been truly revolutionary, and the biggest revolution has been that it is a smartphone that doesn't make the average person want to cry when trying t…

That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it can help. Yes, the iPhone is a good product. I understand that's part of the reason behind the fervent love of it. I think that Apple's image can help things succeed.

Look at the iPod and the iPad. Who the hell had an MP3 player or a tablet before they came out? Not many people. Apple is good at creating needs and good products where products already existed. I'm not saying their design isn't part of that, I'm saying that their image can certainly help. We don't know enough about this new FaceTime to say it's instantly better than previous products other than the fact that it's free, and gong to be an open standard. Since we can't speak about the design of it, I chose to speak about another factor that could cause it to succeed.

Edit: "Reality distortion field" was a horrible choice of words on my part by the way. I meant that Apple's success at marketing would help this product succeed, no matter how the implementation was, not that their implementation will be or has been poor.

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Hurr Hurr but look at the pictures - it's on WiFi. http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-...

So the wifi is saturated because there are 500 people streaming photos and tweets from the hall. C'mon. Can't Apple just live stream these keynotes from here on out? Everyone on all sides knows these announcements are in the public sphere 250 milliseconds after Steve says it. For being so controlling of their media message, why let the bloggers run the final leg?

I think it's to enhance the sense of exclusivity, to help people to get excited about it, to emphasize to people that important this is important. I mean, if people are scrambling to get live updates of something, then it must be important, right? This gives Apple two hours when, anywhere in the world, if someone is reporting on the proceedings, they are going to mention something about the difficulty of getting live updates. Man, what better way to show importance? Helpful isn't sexy.

In an era of easy video feeds of everything, the un-videoable seems far more valuable. Seeing photographs from pay-per-view events on the news gives that impression. Or think of the US Supreme Court. They only allow people to sketch the proceedings! Pencil drawings are the ultimate status symbol.

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It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Worse that that, you have to be calling someone else with an iPhone, and you -both- have to be using wifi. Don't get me wrong, it is a step up from what they used to have available, but that is kind of a tall order for general consumption.

Still more convenient than chat on net-books/laptops. Calling on a phone is very convenient and if you can, add video.

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The N900 has skype and google talk video calling already, and people don't call that epic. It also works on 3G, unlike the iphone.

You and many others are missing the point of why this is epic. When was the last time a device with so much market penetration and insane adoption rates allowed video chat in such a simple way? The reason it is epic is because this is the first time it'll actually work. Who cares about N900s? Does my grandma know what an N900 is?

Does your grandma have an iphone 4G hooked up to Wifi, and a friend that has an iphone 4G hooked up to wifi?

My father has an N900, and he video calls europe every day. I didn't need to show him how to use it or anything.

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Worse that that, you have to be calling someone else with an iPhone, and you -both- have to be using wifi. Don't get me wrong, it is a step up from what they used to have available, but that is kind of a tall order for general consumption.

Still more convenient than chat on net-books/laptops. Calling on a phone is very convenient and if you can, add video.

Except it's not hands free, laptops have the camera in a pretty good position without any additional effort.
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