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As a Shenzhen local, I'd consider this video one of very few that present a 100% accurate view of the local hardware and market culture. It's very well done and everything he says is correct and that's unusual.

I'd say the same as someone who lives in Hong Kong and travels to Shenzhen with some frequency.

With one caveat, those folks selling parts definitely treats me with a lot less friendliness than they do with foreign buyers, especially when you're buying just one.

There are also varying level of quality when buying parts, especially batteries and screens. It's hard for repair shops in the area to charge higher prices for better parts, so there's definitely a huge market for screens that's slightly mis-calibrated, has a non-noticeable dead pixel and such. Customers in the area generally care less about those kind of quality.

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All those people and all that parts infrastructure, just to repair and recycle one brand of phones. Phone repair training school with posters of iPhone boards on the wall. All those shops selling phone parts. All that specialized equipment for servicing them. I like the "bubble removing" machine, a heated vacuum chamber. It looks like mid 20th century automotive, when there were corners with four gas stations that ac…

> The real question is, why do people put up with such fragile phones?

It's technology, the average punter doesn't give it a second thought beyond "What does this device do?".

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All those people and all that parts infrastructure, just to repair and recycle one brand of phones. Phone repair training school with posters of iPhone boards on the wall. All those shops selling phone parts. All that specialized equipment for servicing them. I like the "bubble removing" machine, a heated vacuum chamber. It looks like mid 20th century automotive, when there were corners with four gas stations that ac…

Scotty here, the dude that made the video. I'm not sure I can answer the first set of questions about why phones are fragile. I think it probably has something to do with consumer expectations/tastes around look and size of phones though.

But I can give you some answers for your second set of questions.

> So what does all that Shentzen parts retail look like when you're building something new?

The markets originally started as wholesale components and tools markets to service the electronics factories in Shenzhen, which make a significant fraction of the worlds electronics, particularly commodity electronics. So it actually mostly caters to people building new things, versus repair. But I didn't show any of that in the video. My understanding is that the cell phone repair markets are comparatively much newer, and obviously cater much less to large scale production of new goods.

> Can you go into those buildings with a bill of materials and come out ready to load your pick and place machine?

Yes, absolutely. There are multiple buildings of distributers that do nothing but sell components on reels to load in pick and place machines. You can even buy a pick and place machine there if you need.

> Can you get boards fabbed one-off while you wait?

Not quite while you wait. There are a bunch of booths in the markets advertising these sorts of services though. I think the fastest on the PCB fab itself (without assembling any components on it) is 12-hour turn time, and that's pushing it a bit. 24-hour turn time expedited but pretty standard, and 3-4 days is generally the non-expedited standard for the board house I've used. Sometimes a bit longer if they're really busy. A courier on a motorcycle will bring it to your door.

> Or is it all about repair and simple mods?

The cell phone markets are mainly about repair/refurbishing and simple mods, as far as I can tell. But I don't fully know - there's still a ton more for me to learn. I still feel like I'm barely scratching the surface here.

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#104

As a Shenzhen local, I'd consider this video one of very few that present a 100% accurate view of the local hardware and market culture. It's very well done and everything he says is correct and that's unusual.

I'd say the same as someone who lives in Hong Kong and travels to Shenzhen with some frequency. With one caveat, those folks selling parts definitely treats me with a lot less friendliness than they do with foreign buyers, especially when you're buying just one. There are also varying level of quality when buying parts, especially batteries and screens. It's hard for repair shops in the area to charge higher prices f…

> With one caveat, those folks selling parts definitely treats me with a lot less friendliness than they do with foreign buyers, especially when you're buying just one.

Yeah, that really sucks. There's definitely a lot of pretty apparent white privilege here, which I try to be really aware of and not take unfair advantage of. But it can be tricky to navigate at times.

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Really well edited video. Shenzen seems like a crazy awesome place. One thing I noticed was how he would never haggle on the price. He would always accept straight up say yep ok. Either the prices were really good...or being an American he's not so used to the idea of having to haggle the price (or maybe he felt order size was too small to warrant a haggle). However when in Asia always and negotiate, otherwise you're…

No- under these circumstances you don't haggle. They mostly sell quantity to people they know, they are stopping real business to be polite and do him a favor. Likewise, if you buy 5 switches in SEG, it's going to be like $2 and it's just not the time for it. Source- Shenzhen local.

yes exactly - if you're going to Shenzhen figure out which buildings will sell you 10 and which are really there to sell you 10,000, the market prices to you are already cheaper than what you're used to for most stuff anyway.

If you do need 10,000 you're probably buying reels anyway, there are places that will sell you those, and if you really are manufacturing get a local sourcing agent to help you they will know who sells reliable stuff at a good price

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#106
"I'm really impressed by Apple's engineering. It's so easy to repair and recycle these phones. I've gotta think that Apple's really proud that their phones don't really end up in landfills."

He then adds, "But there's also credit due to the many thousands of people here who have figured out how to turn trash like this [shows mangled screen assembly] back into beautiful working phones."

Dear friends in Shenzhen, not all Westerner's are as shallow and fantastically, well, douchey as this asshole. We praise you for your ingenuity and unwavering work ethic. Thank you.

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#107

"I'm really impressed by Apple's engineering. It's so easy to repair and recycle these phones. I've gotta think that Apple's really proud that their phones don't really end up in landfills." He then adds, "But there's also credit due to the many thousands of people here who have figured out how to turn trash like this [shows mangled screen assembly] back into beautiful working phones." Dear friends in Shenzhen, not a…

I do not understand your comment, what does the author say that makes him a shallow douche?

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#108

"I'm really impressed by Apple's engineering. It's so easy to repair and recycle these phones. I've gotta think that Apple's really proud that their phones don't really end up in landfills." He then adds, "But there's also credit due to the many thousands of people here who have figured out how to turn trash like this [shows mangled screen assembly] back into beautiful working phones." Dear friends in Shenzhen, not a…

Calling "shallow" the OP but also calling all people in Shenzhen your friends ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The 1st person face is a bit shocking, and he does seem a bit naive at some points, but from that to call Scotty Allen "shallow and fantastically douchey asshole" is totally uncalled for.

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#109

"I'm really impressed by Apple's engineering. It's so easy to repair and recycle these phones. I've gotta think that Apple's really proud that their phones don't really end up in landfills." He then adds, "But there's also credit due to the many thousands of people here who have figured out how to turn trash like this [shows mangled screen assembly] back into beautiful working phones." Dear friends in Shenzhen, not a…

Nothing he said came across as shallow or douchey whatsoever. You, on the other hand...

Re: How I Made My Own iPhone in China [video]

#110

As a Shenzhen local, I'd consider this video one of very few that present a 100% accurate view of the local hardware and market culture. It's very well done and everything he says is correct and that's unusual.

Totally unrelated but I loved your Hikaru Skirt and made one for my gf back then as a bday present (to go to a Vocalid live). It helped me to design and hide a small box and get similar electronics.
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