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On Growing: Lessons from the Story of WeChat

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Re: On Growing: Lessons from the Story of WeChat

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Big government intervention is not the app's fault.

But could it be part of the reasons for its success ?

Yeah, that's a great question. The reason they have the luxury of not caring about their user count could be that the government takes care of that issue for them by interfering with their competitors.

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> WeChat is lightyears ahead of what the west can offer , in terms of product. It has many many useful features and is smooth, reliable As a westerner, is there like a list of such use cases to help get the point across? The things I've read so far here sound like the kind of things we already have offerings for too (making travel easier or etc), just not usually all under one roof. Sending money via text is a great…

I have lived in China for 6 months, and from the top of my head: - Voice/Text Chat - (Video) calling - Payment service (like Apple or Android pay) - Buy movie tickets - Buy plane tickets - Send money via Chat. - Splitt the bills. - Pay the government (utility companies etc) directly from WeChat - Find people nearby (like tinder? But less so than TanTan) - Chat on desktop (like whatsapp web, but native client) - Log o…

Sans the language translation, I don't find any of these activities to be a burden using available channels/providers while living in the US. I actually prefer that they're not consolidated under one roof.

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> We partnered up with China Tech Insights, a research group within Tencent (WeChat’s parent company) to understand how WeChat drives its 889 Million monthly active users...

I've always wondered if WeChat benefitted from something particular to the Chinese context, for example, favorable government support.[1] This is not exactly the sort of stellar investigative methodology that's going to answer that question. In fact the article makes it sounds like it's all general business and design principles, yet fails to address why WeChat's success is specific to China.

[1] "A successful stunt during last year’s celebration of Chinese New Year’s Eve saw CCTV, the official state broadcaster, offer millions of dollars in cash rewards to WeChat users who shook their phones on cue." http://www.economist.com/news/business/21703428-chinas-wecha...

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Distilled down: fast execution with small tight dev teams, ruthless focus on adding direct user value/utility to every new feature (and choosing insightful metrics to validate this), management keeping their greed in check and an overriding culture/philosophy that good product is driven from understanding and respecting your users (don't waste their time, do value their attention, don't overcomplicate, don't needlessly monetise). Oh and incredible discipline and inventiveness in devising viral growth loops that don't break these rules.

Nice & inspiring.

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I have lived in China for 6 months, and from the top of my head: - Voice/Text Chat - (Video) calling - Payment service (like Apple or Android pay) - Buy movie tickets - Buy plane tickets - Send money via Chat. - Splitt the bills. - Pay the government (utility companies etc) directly from WeChat - Find people nearby (like tinder? But less so than TanTan) - Chat on desktop (like whatsapp web, but native client) - Log o…

Does it have end to end encryption though? That's kind of a killer feature.

Other posts here suggest that WeChat actively censors posts, including in private chat, at the behest of the government, so no.

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> Tencent was already one of China’s top internet companies in 2010, and the biggest social company even before WeChat was launched. > At the time, Tencent’s products had ~650M monthly active Instant Messenger accounts. Lesson 1: Start with 650m active users

Exactly, same is applicable to Facebook Messenger that leverage the growth of Facebook.com

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How often do messages get deleted?

often, they are very fast deleted from your Moments (Wall), heck is you use sensitive keyword they won't be even delivered to the other party in PRIVATE message, so much for this amazing messenger we should look up to

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Re: On Growing: Lessons from the Story of WeChat

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I remember watching this video a while ago by Nathan Freitas on the ability of the Chinese government to inspect, censor and control private communications through cooperation with apps like WeChat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEJGqNf2rgk

In it, Nathan brings up a very alarming point in that Chinese communication apps like WeChat have extremely robust inspection and censorship features built-in to the app, that were originally designed to be used by the Chinese government. Even though these features might not yet be enabled for WeChat users in countries outside of China, there is very little stopping an authoritarian government in a different state with widespread WeChat adoption from making use of these features if they just negotiated the right deals with TenCent, instantly gaining unprecedented powers in shaping private communications of its citizens, which can be an exceptionally powerful tool in detecting and quelling dissent.

By exporting WeChat, China not just exporting a chat app, but also exporting a vital function of its Great Firewall: it's ability to control communications between citizens within it. Even for democratic states like India, where WeChat is starting to gain a foothold, this could pose a very real threat to freedom of speech if WeChat were ever to become dominant, and greatly increases the potential power of government should they ever want to overreach for it.

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