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Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by ramy_d »

abstractbeliefs wrote: post #79
ramy_d wrote: post #54

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2 things. 1: As a consumer IDGAF. 2: sure as long as we're not saying "your problem is because of a discreet GPU, switch to integrated, so much better!". Also, You want to lay down all the graphics options when Linus did that and _not_ pick Nvidia? Cool, go play zork. I understand what the situation was, but don't deny who was actually delivering on graphics performance either. Today however, it's genuinely refreshin…

But as a consumer, you _do_ give a fuck! Making the wrong consumer choice here matters, because it can take you from a good, functioning PC to one that works far less effectively. You're right in that you shouldn't have to give a fuck, that they should all - in support terms - be drop in replacements allowing you to balance up cost vs. performance, but the Linux team have tried awfully hard to make it that way withou…

You're right, I do care. I care first about what works, and the choices available to me. At that time, Nvidia was working at the performance and stability required and nothing else. Today the landscape has changed significantly and there is actual choice. I don't care so much as to lower the bar of what is acceptable.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by eip »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #23

We bought a ZaReason Linux laptop for my wife last year and it has really reset my expectations for what I can expect of a Linux desktop. It works mostly. But things break somewhat regularly and it needs a happy reboot at least once every two days. In short, by 2017 standards it's a buggy piece of shit. For the average computer user who does not want a Mac, I would recommend Windows over Ubuntu at this point. It's mo…

>I almost never have to reboot my Mac because something broke

I find that hard to believe. I have a crapbook pro they gave me for work and I have to reboot it every few days because it becomes unresponsive.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by CrankyBear »

lima wrote: post #71
type0 wrote: post #70

How I wish that Canonical would have chosen MATE instead, Wimpy is already working for them.

MATE is a dead end if you want a modern, Wayland-based desktop.

Not true. Wayland's on MATE's Roadmap. http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/roadmap

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by herbst »

reitanqild wrote: post #76
secfirstmd wrote: post #2

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

Juat remember that a lot of us actually really don't like using MacOSX. I respect that others like it, -would even vote argue for coworkers to get a Mac even if it is slightly more expensive than my machine if thats what they are used to and like, - but passing it around as a benchmark for a good desktop gets a bit tiring.

I've got introduced to it in late 2015. I was running Gnome Shell with Arch for the most time and got a 2015 MBP at work. I always found the design to look dated and the intuitively of the UI beeing stuck in history other than going with time. From my POV i never understood how OSX is praised as design standard, but i didnt switch from Vista to OSX years ago.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by herbst »

zamalek wrote: post #42
criddell wrote: post #13

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> OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. If deep pockets was all it took to make an OS succeed, Windows Phone wouldn't be dead. On the desktop, OSX, Windows, and most Linux variants are all good enough. What matters is application support. For my job, 50% of the applications I use run on Linux, 75% run on OSX (natively), and 100% work on Windows. Can you gu…

> 100% work on Windows Make that 110% if you include Visual Studio. The degree of polish that Visual Studio has just isn't available anywhere else. At some point early this year I was considering Linux+VSCode. VS2017, with F5-to-Docker debug, launched and everything else looks like a giant pain in the ass once again. The Azure integration is anticompetitive but, wow, is it also so much better than the alternative. XC…

I am sure i am not alone with not wanting a IDE. I catch bugs with testing and context aware auto complete every proper editor ships with. IDEs just sound like bloat to me.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by herbst »

reitanqild wrote: post #51
Asooka wrote: post #6

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Oh god please no. I would really prefer that we stop the experimentation and just go back to implementing the standard desktop. Linux got its success by being a Unix clone, down to copying the syscall numbers. We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. And even OS…

We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. Disagree strongly. I'd much rather want Microsoft to release a polished supported KDE 5 or Gnome 3 than the other way around. The thing that attracted me to free software was first the price tag (esp when I was a student) and later speed and usability.

Gnome on Windows would so much made my day when i still worked on Windows. I tried everything that promised anything like that, but essentially you are stuck with Windows in every corner.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by criddell »

herbst wrote: post #86
zamalek wrote: post #42

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> 100% work on Windows Make that 110% if you include Visual Studio. The degree of polish that Visual Studio has just isn't available anywhere else. At some point early this year I was considering Linux+VSCode. VS2017, with F5-to-Docker debug, launched and everything else looks like a giant pain in the ass once again. The Azure integration is anticompetitive but, wow, is it also so much better than the alternative. XC…

I am sure i am not alone with not wanting a IDE. I catch bugs with testing and context aware auto complete every proper editor ships with. IDEs just sound like bloat to me.

IDEs are generally heavy, but Microsoft (and other IDE makers) don't make them that way just for fun. They build the IDE that they want to use.

When an IDE doesn't do something the way you want it done and you find yourself fighting it, I can totally understand not wanting to deal with it. On the other hand, if your IDE works the way you want it to, it can increase your productivity.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by undersuit »

dorfsmay wrote: post #36
criddell wrote: post #8

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Linux already is running on the majority of mobile phones. :) That said, the UI has never been what's holding back Ubuntu on the phone.

What was the issue? Lack of apps? Marketing?

Graphic Drivers. The desktop GPU situation looks like a wonderland compared to the mess that is mobile graphic acceleration.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by rantanplan »

lima wrote: post #73
rantanplan wrote: post #46

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A Fedora "leap" release, same as with OpenSUSE Leap, with a 3 year support cycle would be the ultimate system for me. I've been using Fedora for the last 7-8 years, but I have to upgrade every 13-14 months or so. And CentOS is not suited for a modern development/workstation environment.

I like it. Fedora upgrades are mostly painless and 3 year support cycles means more outdated software.

Yes I like it too, but think farther ahead.

Why is Ubuntu the defacto supported Linux distro? Why is,quite often, steam so difficult to install, while it's a breeze to install on Ubuntu?

You can't expect people to consider you as a legitimate target if you're constantly moving :(

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