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Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by reitanqild »

Asooka wrote: post #6
secfirstmd wrote: post #2

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

Oh god please no. I would really prefer that we stop the experimentation and just go back to implementing the standard desktop. Linux got its success by being a Unix clone, down to copying the syscall numbers. We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. And even OS…

We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas.

Disagree strongly.

I'd much rather want Microsoft to release a polished supported KDE 5 or Gnome 3 than the other way around.

The thing that attracted me to free software was first the price tag (esp when I was a student) and later speed and usability.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by kirushik »

rantanplan wrote: post #46
terrestrial wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE and Gnome are both really good nowadays, but Ubuntu is a buggy piece of shit. I've helped friends install it a couple of times recent years, and seen various desktop program crashes every time . It wasn't like this back in the Gnome2 days. What we really need is Red Hat to start selling Fedora computers. And KDE Neon to ship laptops based on Debian stable. And obviously at least one big retailer to have them in a…

A Fedora "leap" release, same as with OpenSUSE Leap, with a 3 year support cycle would be the ultimate system for me. I've been using Fedora for the last 7-8 years, but I have to upgrade every 13-14 months or so. And CentOS is not suited for a modern development/workstation environment.

Why not OpenSUSE Leap then?

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by braveo »

ramy_d wrote: post #39
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to hear about your wife's bad experience. Never heard of the company, but based on the specs of laptops being offered from the website, I'd hazard a guess that the discrete GPU is probably the source of many of your woes. Linux has always been a second-class citizen for video cards, particularly since NVIDIA's binary blobs fly in the face of the FOSS spirit. If she doesn't do intense graphical editing or gaming…

It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?

I've never seen a GPU stack as stable as NVidia's proprietary drivers, honestly. And I've tried the open source AMD drivers, but the card may have been too old for it.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by ramy_d »

freehunter wrote: post #45
ramy_d wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?

Remember the famous video Linus did where he just flipped a middle finger to nvidia because nvidia flipped a middle finger to the entire Linux community? Yeah, the advice is always "don't use nvidia with Linux".

2 things. 1: As a consumer IDGAF. 2: sure as long as we're not saying "your problem is because of a discreet GPU, switch to integrated, so much better!".

Also, You want to lay down all the graphics options when Linus did that and _not_ pick Nvidia? Cool, go play zork. I understand what the situation was, but don't deny who was actually delivering on graphics performance either.

Today however, it's genuinely refreshing to see AMD's driver efforts and overall offering as a company.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by reitanqild »

zamalek wrote: post #42
criddell wrote: post #13

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> OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. If deep pockets was all it took to make an OS succeed, Windows Phone wouldn't be dead. On the desktop, OSX, Windows, and most Linux variants are all good enough. What matters is application support. For my job, 50% of the applications I use run on Linux, 75% run on OSX (natively), and 100% work on Windows. Can you gu…

> 100% work on Windows Make that 110% if you include Visual Studio. The degree of polish that Visual Studio has just isn't available anywhere else. At some point early this year I was considering Linux+VSCode. VS2017, with F5-to-Docker debug, launched and everything else looks like a giant pain in the ass once again. The Azure integration is anticompetitive but, wow, is it also so much better than the alternative. XC…

The degree of polish that Visual Studio has just isn't available anywhere else.

I like Windows more than before but people saying VS is fantastic are starting to annoy me.

My VS crashed 3 times today (!). This comes on top of almost not having any refactoring support unless you buy ReSharper.

I was really excited to get to try .Net three months ago.

Now I'm really looking forward to go back to Java and Netbeans (even if I will miss some things.)

It's no wonder that Windows is the only platform where developers shy away from text editors

This developer love Netbeans on KDE.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by ramy_d »

braveo wrote: post #53
ramy_d wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?

I've never seen a GPU stack as stable as NVidia's proprietary drivers, honestly. And I've tried the open source AMD drivers, but the card may have been too old for it.

Same. I'm eager to try some of the new AMD hardware + driver offerings of late. I'm hopeful for them and am considering them for my next GPU rotation (pretty far in the future though since I still have a 970).

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by rbanffy »

holydude wrote: post #3
secfirstmd wrote: post #2

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

....for free. But seriously it's hard to create quality software especially if you are not as rich as Apple or MS

Judging by how much money Microsoft has, I wouldn't say money solves that problem.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by rantanplan »

kirushik wrote: post #52
rantanplan wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Fedora "leap" release, same as with OpenSUSE Leap, with a 3 year support cycle would be the ultimate system for me. I've been using Fedora for the last 7-8 years, but I have to upgrade every 13-14 months or so. And CentOS is not suited for a modern development/workstation environment.

Why not OpenSUSE Leap then?

As an experiment I have OpenSUSE leap on my workstation(while Fedora on my laptop).

I can't say bad things about it, except that it's quite often that you can't find packages for various applications. A random example would be spotify, that was one of my last adventures to make it work(I got tired and gave up after a while).

And Fedora/RH has a lot more momentum in general and you can be certain that it will be around for as long as Linux is a thing I guess :)

Suse has gone through various struggles and it doesn't inspire much confidence to me anymore.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Post by cs702 »

While Linux developers and users endlessly argued about, and worked on, different UI environments, display server stacks, etc., Android's UI became the world's most used computer interface environment (around 1.5 billion devices, at last count):

http://expandedramblings.com/index.php/android-statistics/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...

Market relevance aside, I view Ubuntu's return to Gnome as a Good Thing. It means there will be more work towards common goals by Canonical and Red Hat.

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