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Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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They should be immediately released and then hired. Apparently the prison system needs their skills.

People can have redeeming qualities and still deserve to spend a lot of time in jail. Demonstrating that you could have done more with your life, after you've been convicted for killing someone, shouldn't excuse your crime.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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You say this so stridently. What measures of literacy do you think are useful for comparing developed countries?

%age of the population that has left the education system and that classifies as functionally illiterate would be one way to do it. You're not going to get the answer with a written survey though. The United States does not report their rate but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States is when compared with http://world.bymap.org/LiteracyRates.html and various other sources not something to be happ…

By "measure", I meant a specific methodology that compares, say, the US and western Europe. Or just one country in western Europe. For example, if France had a study that broke results out similarly to https://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

Your implication is that France would simply lack an equivalent to the "Below Basic" group. I doubt this.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

#153
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So they were able to connect to the prison network, look through the state prison database using these computers and issue security passes to gain access to restricted areas. I think the prison needs to get someone to look at the security of their network and applications.

There might be some weak technical measures worth improving, but they may not have been the root cause of this access.

>When they checked the login being used, they discovered an employee's credentials were being used on days he wasn't scheduled to work.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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I think using inmate labor for money should be illegal, but I'm not sure prison would be workable at all without the 13th amendment. What counts as "forced labor?" Does that include forcing inmates to clean up after themselves in their cells or in cafeterias? Note that e.g. the German constitution has a similar carve out for prisoners.

I'm not so sure most inmates need to be forced. I have a family member who was incarcerated under the war on drugs and he was not initially allowed to work and grew extremely bored. They finally began to trust him and let him come on highway cleanups that he said was much better than sitting in a cell.

Then he should have been paid a real wage for it. We aren't running a GULAG program here. (Well, we are, but we don't want to admit it.)

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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I think using inmate labor for money should be illegal, but I'm not sure prison would be workable at all without the 13th amendment. What counts as "forced labor?" Does that include forcing inmates to clean up after themselves in their cells or in cafeterias? Note that e.g. the German constitution has a similar carve out for prisoners.

I'm not so sure most inmates need to be forced. I have a family member who was incarcerated under the war on drugs and he was not initially allowed to work and grew extremely bored. They finally began to trust him and let him come on highway cleanups that he said was much better than sitting in a cell.

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Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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What's a more likely job for a former inmate: Computer repair technician (rip out broken parts, put new parts in) or Javascript frontend engineer?

Well, given the fact that former inmates are just ordinary people again you'd think the likelihood of them attaining either job would be related to their skill level and aptitude. If you'd teach them javascript in prison their chances of landing a javascript front-end engineer would go up dramatically, if you only teach them how to rip up old computers then maybe they'll find a job in recycling at lower pay with a hi…

As a programmer with a felony (Possession of a controlled substance) I can tell you that by far the greatest hurdle is getting past a background check. I am in the process of finding a new job and I am currently awaiting a decision for the THIRD time on whether my felony will keep me from being hired. In the past month and a half I have been extended offers on two positions only to have them rescinded after they do the background check. I should note I was very honest and upfront about what they would find beforehand. It is starting to become pretty frustrating. I have been clean for 3 years now and have even provided letters of recommendation from rehabilitation program supervisors as well as a letter from my sentencing judge. I have no violent crimes in my background just some possession/drug related charges the most recent of which was in 2013. I paid my debt to society, or so I thought. It appears the worst part of my sentence is having the felony on my record that I cannot have expunged until January of 2024 at the earliest.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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I think using inmate labor for money should be illegal, but I'm not sure prison would be workable at all without the 13th amendment. What counts as "forced labor?" Does that include forcing inmates to clean up after themselves in their cells or in cafeterias? Note that e.g. the German constitution has a similar carve out for prisoners.

Forced labor is labor that goes outside of the normal housekeeping routine for prisoners. It's really not that hard to make that distinction, you could even do it through the bookkeeping department: any time the prison or its operators are compensated directly or indirectly by outside parties for work done by prisoners that's forced labor too. Keeping their cell and spaces they use voluntarily clean: not forced labor…

> If prisoners are allowed to do any of that work they should be compensated at market rates to make sure there is no unfair competition.

The consequences of prisoners contributing to unfair competition is one of the major plot lines in Shawshank Redemption.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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That's what happens when you don't have layered security. MAC address whitelisting, crytographic hardware tokens, 2fa, etc all would have stopped it dead in its tracks, but someone decided a login screen would be "enough".

Yes, but it's easy to find effective countermeasures after the fact.

If it's a state government running the LAN at the prison they've failed to implement really basic standard LAN security measures like keeping ports down until they're actually in use by a known desktop PC or WAP, 802.1x, etc.

Re: Investigation finds inmates built computers and hid them in prison ceiling

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> Inmates should be given a choice of working and making money so they can pay for their living or do nothing and starve to death - just like any other member of the society outside of prison. Do you believe the work prisoners do pay for their incarceration costs? Are you jealous that people whose freedom and agency are taken away are fed and housed by the state?

No, I'm not jealous - there is no need for personal remarks here. I'm just pointing out that it's not fair to the rest of the society. State will only be able to feed and house inmates, if it forcibly takes money from members of that society in the form of taxes. In order to give to someone, you have to take from someone else - it's that simple.

I'm not seeing anything unfair here.

the society pays money to the government and in return have prisons. Society benefits from said prisons.

If you're going to tackle unfairness in society, you should be aiming for the massive imbalance of wealth. Anything else is premature optimization

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