More stability, add gaming support.
I moved to fedora because Ubuntu tends to break and guzzle resources.
Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?
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Oh god please no. I would really prefer that we stop the experimentation and just go back to implementing the standard desktop. Linux got its success by being a Unix clone, down to copying the syscall numbers. We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. And even OS…
> OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. If deep pockets was all it took to make an OS succeed, Windows Phone wouldn't be dead. On the desktop, OSX, Windows, and most Linux variants are all good enough. What matters is application support. For my job, 50% of the applications I use run on Linux, 75% run on OSX (natively), and 100% work on Windows. Can you gu…
> 100% work on Windows
Make that 110% if you include Visual Studio. The degree of polish that Visual Studio has just isn't available anywhere else. At some point early this year I was considering Linux+VSCode. VS2017, with F5-to-Docker debug, launched and everything else looks like a giant pain in the ass once again. The Azure integration is anticompetitive but, wow, is it also so much better than the alternative.
XCode is a hilarious joke that Apple is playing on developers.
Linux IDEs, while much better than XCode, would have been competitive in 2003 (unless you use Java/IntelliJ exclusively).
It's no wonder that Windows is the only platform where developers shy away from text editors - it's the only platform where the alternatives to text editors don't absolutely suck. It's really not that text editors are better than IDEs - an good IDE and a good text editor are complementary, not competitive.
Where I'm going with this is that a good IDE begets a quality application. That 100% doesn't arise from the ether. Alongside your game argument comes another indicator of this: Windows has a very mature graphical debugger[1] (having been growing it since DX9) where, so far as I have read, both competing operating systems lack this functionality entirely.
Balmer might have looked like a fool with his "developers, developers, developers" dance. The thing is that he was completely correct - instead of mocking his monkey dancing, Apple and Linux should have been paying attention to the people that he was praising.
If Ubuntu want to compete in this space the developer experience must be fixed.
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Sorry to hear about your wife's bad experience. Never heard of the company, but based on the specs of laptops being offered from the website, I'd hazard a guess that the discrete GPU is probably the source of many of your woes. Linux has always been a second-class citizen for video cards, particularly since NVIDIA's binary blobs fly in the face of the FOSS spirit. If she doesn't do intense graphical editing or gaming…
It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?
Why are you baffled? It's no secret that Nvidia's linux drivers cause problems and that Intel's tend to be very good.
For the record, I had a really bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers on Linux, and the whole Optimus thing that they pushed 5-ish years ago.
Never had a problem with Intel graphics, except that power management (RC6) support in Sandy Bridge chips took a while to mature.
Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?
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It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?
Why are you baffled? It's no secret that Nvidia's linux drivers cause problems and that Intel's tend to be very good. For the record, I had a really bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers on Linux, and the whole Optimus thing that they pushed 5-ish years ago. Never had a problem with Intel graphics, except that power management (RC6) support in Sandy Bridge chips took a while to mature.
I'm baffled because I had the exact opposite experience and this is really bad advice.
Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?
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Sorry to hear about your wife's bad experience. Never heard of the company, but based on the specs of laptops being offered from the website, I'd hazard a guess that the discrete GPU is probably the source of many of your woes. Linux has always been a second-class citizen for video cards, particularly since NVIDIA's binary blobs fly in the face of the FOSS spirit. If she doesn't do intense graphical editing or gaming…
It baffles me that your recommendation is to get off Nvidia hardware + restricted drivers and use an Intel integrated GPU. Have you had such bad time with Nvidia hardware and their drivers?
Remember the famous video Linus did where he just flipped a middle finger to nvidia because nvidia flipped a middle finger to the entire Linux community? Yeah, the advice is always "don't use nvidia with Linux".
Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?
#46kde is really very good, maybe because i am used to it, i dont see what it is missing, but i think even if it is missing something, it is probably minor as Linus Torvalds said in a video on youtube, what linux on the desktop need is to come preinstalled by the major pc vendor ... ubuntu need more deals with big vendors that is all
KDE and Gnome are both really good nowadays, but Ubuntu is a buggy piece of shit. I've helped friends install it a couple of times recent years, and seen various desktop program crashes every time . It wasn't like this back in the Gnome2 days. What we really need is Red Hat to start selling Fedora computers. And KDE Neon to ship laptops based on Debian stable. And obviously at least one big retailer to have them in a…
A Fedora "leap" release, same as with OpenSUSE Leap, with a 3 year support cycle would be the ultimate system for me.
I've been using Fedora for the last 7-8 years, but I have to upgrade every 13-14 months or so. And CentOS is not suited for a modern development/workstation environment.
Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?
#47I miss Gnome 2 Ubuntu.
This was what I wanted as well.
I always preferred KDE over Gnome but Ubuntu made it work so well I stayed with it until they abandoned it.
And this is my guess at Canonicals biggest misstep: taking away something that worked amazingly well and replace it with something that was a.) Buggy when it was introduced b.) Very different from the thing we were in love with.
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#50Does anyone here use Budgie as their main DE? I've been following Ubuntu Budgie since the official flavor was announced last year. I played with the unofficial version a bit in a VM and it worked relatively well. I would love to hear some insight on it's performance and stability.