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Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

#12

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

It's portability vs usability. Linux runs on pretty much anything: from the smallest chips to the super computers. You can't make something that suits every use case perfectly, so in order to support such variety, compromises must be made. iOS/macOS runs only on a handful devices that were designed and build by a single company, it's not fair to compare the two.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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post #6

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

Oh god please no. I would really prefer that we stop the experimentation and just go back to implementing the standard desktop. Linux got its success by being a Unix clone, down to copying the syscall numbers. We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. And even OS…

> OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources.

If deep pockets was all it took to make an OS succeed, Windows Phone wouldn't be dead.

On the desktop, OSX, Windows, and most Linux variants are all good enough. What matters is application support. For my job, 50% of the applications I use run on Linux, 75% run on OSX (natively), and 100% work on Windows. Can you guess which OS I use at work?

Thanks to Valve, Linux has a real shot at picking up some steam in the gaming space. Without Adobe and Microsoft, it probably won't go anywhere on corporate or consumer desktops.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

#14
kde is really very good, maybe because i am used to it, i dont see what it is missing, but i think even if it is missing something, it is probably minor

as Linus Torvalds said in a video on youtube, what linux on the desktop need is to come preinstalled by the major pc vendor ... ubuntu need more deals with big vendors that is all

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

#15
post #6

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

Oh god please no. I would really prefer that we stop the experimentation and just go back to implementing the standard desktop. Linux got its success by being a Unix clone, down to copying the syscall numbers. We should mimic that on desktop by just copying Windows, rather than chasing unproven weird ideas. OSX succeeds not because it's quirky, but because it is backed by a company with massive resources. And even OS…

I always had a dual feeling about this. In one way, yes, at one point I also found myself tweaking KDE until it was even closer to Windows than it is by default. That works ok for me, and I am still unsure whether it is because I'm used to it or because it is just good or a combination. At the same time though I always found it amusing and interesting to try completely different WMs. But in the end I noticed I'm always going back to some standards in the end. And spent (wasted?) some time configuring/being annoyed/... because the WM got in the way or was lacking features rather than being helpful. So, like another commenter says: wouldn't mind a complete Windows UI clone (especially window/multiple monitor/keyboard behavior) on Linux.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

#17
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

....for free. But seriously it's hard to create quality software especially if you are not as rich as Apple or MS

Apple was not rich when Mac OS X launched.

When OSX launched people had different expectations.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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post #12

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

It's portability vs usability. Linux runs on pretty much anything: from the smallest chips to the super computers. You can't make something that suits every use case perfectly, so in order to support such variety, compromises must be made. iOS/macOS runs only on a handful devices that were designed and build by a single company, it's not fair to compare the two.

So the funny thing is how well macOS works even when it doesn't have the right drivers. At one point I tried and failed to set up a Hackintosh on unsupported hardware, but I was shocked to find how good it looked even with the default VESA video driver!

While Linux's VESA driver got tons of screen tearing issues and generally poor drawing speeds, Mac OS (this was 10.4) was sitting there drawing a fully composited desktop with no slowdowns whatsoever. At that same time, Linux required special graphics hardware with beta drivers to even get any form of desktop compositing working.

Re: Where does the Ubuntu Linux desktop go from here?

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post #12

Just give a Linux desktop which is a smooth as macOS.

It's portability vs usability. Linux runs on pretty much anything: from the smallest chips to the super computers. You can't make something that suits every use case perfectly, so in order to support such variety, compromises must be made. iOS/macOS runs only on a handful devices that were designed and build by a single company, it's not fair to compare the two.

You are talking about the Linux kernel. Desktops (e.g. KDE, GNOME, Unity, etc) run practically exclusively on AMD64 systems that take the laptop or desktop form factor.

What we've seen are ill-fated attempts to make those desktops work well on touch devices. That's what Unity was all about. On the other hand Apple has refused to make macOS run on touch screens.

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