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A great alternative to Slack, in the spirit of IRC, is matrix[1]. It has lots of clients, and a great vision. You use an online client called riot[2] which uses the matrix protocol. There are other clients available[3] including desktop clients. There's E2E encryption coming to more of the clients which is inspired from signal protocol (double ratchet part of it specifically), without Forward secrecy so as to maintai…
We are, temporarily, in a kind of dark ages of end-user open source software. The reason is that we shifted from software-as-a-product to software-as-a-service. With the old upload-and-forget model of software distribution, you could put a tarball on a free FTP site for a few pennies, and then a million people could use it, or one person could, and you wouldn't have to lift a finger. A million people could fork your…
It isn't a product maturity thing either. At a theoretical level, we don't know how to make blockchains scale. Every node needs to process every transaction, and we don't know how to get around that.
Would be great to move to a model where the end user can pay for the server time. sandstorm.io was (is) exciting for more than a few reasons. But overall it's still an unsolved problem.
Tangentially, I don't get how developers on the one hand strive for private offices and no (physical) interruptions, but on the other want to communicate through chat channels. Maybe these are different people altogether, and I'm just getting the wrong impression. But personally I prefer a little personal interaction over a long chat.
> I don't get how developers on the one hand strive for private offices and no (physical) interruptions, but on the other want to communicate through chat channels. Chats are much less interrupting. When someone walks in, you have to look at them (it's rude to keep typing and look at your screen), your brain starts to assess who it is and their mood and pulls into an appropriate facial expression, and you have to sta…
Personally I've noticed people tend to take a longer time saying something in chat than they would in person. And if I have to wait for a reply I'll probably start doing something else, potentially making the chat conversation go even slower.
I have little experience with group chats, in my limited exposure to them they tended to be more focussed on fun than productivity.
I also seem to be one of the few people that can quickly context switch between a conversation and actual work.
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You're saying they're nothing like each other but are providing no examples. Besides one being an app and one being a website, what are the differences? Neither quasseldroid or Lounge have push notifications or searchable messages yet, so they seem to be pretty identical feature-wise. EDIT: and we aren't talking about code-base, are we? If so, Lounge's is pretty solid (although it is in a pretty constant state of tra…
> Neither quasseldroid or Lounge have push notifications or searchable messages yet, so they seem to be pretty identical feature-wise. Quassel actually has both of those, but they’re still in separate projects atm: https://dl.kuschku.de/videos/2016-09-16_04-03-36.mp4 , and will only be integrated into the main codebase in the next version. That said, the performance of Quasseldroid, due to the nature of the thing, is…
And I don't think you can say due to it's nature it's faster... I run Lounge in 20+ active channels on my iPhone SE and it runs perfectly. Native != more performant (and if the code base is as bad as you say I wouldn't expect it to be).
There's tons of FOSS alternatives! No excuses!
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> Well we are moving to a web first world, Too bad much of the web stinks, with terrible responsiveness and usability and impose those results through bloated protocols and spaghetti architecture on anything that tries to interface with them. Multiple times on caltrain I've had people ask me how I'm on the internet as I have meetings on IRC without even noticing the connectivity has gone poor -- while their webchat s…
Yeh in this vain, I'll add that I have very experienced colleagues who are so fed up with the current internet that they don't even fight net neutrality, and would rather another protocol rise in its place.
A great alternative to Slack, in the spirit of IRC, is matrix[1]. It has lots of clients, and a great vision. You use an online client called riot[2] which uses the matrix protocol. There are other clients available[3] including desktop clients. There's E2E encryption coming to more of the clients which is inspired from signal protocol (double ratchet part of it specifically), without Forward secrecy so as to maintai…
Riot is really obnoxious to use and get set up, and is also extremely resource hungry.
I don't think you're very familiar with chat protocols if you think it's even remotely suitable as a replacement for IRC.
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"in the spirit of IRC" is a bit of a stretch. This is all a massive blob of web technologies which contrasts IRC's minimalism and it's lightweight clients written in C. It doesn't appear to require any specific service though so at least it has that.
I'm not sure it's fair to call it a massive blob of web technologies (although I'm biased, given I work on it). To compare sending a message on IRC versus sending one on Matrix: $ telnet irc.freenode.net 6667 ... NICK Ara4n USER Ara4n Ara4n irc.freenode.net :Matthew Hodgson ... JOIN #matrix PRIVMSG #matrix :test versus: curl "https://matrix.org/_matrix/client/r0/rooms/!cURbafjkfsMDVwdRDQ%3Amatrix.org/send/m.room.mess…
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I don't think it's necessarily a generational thing. I know people in their 30s who don't know what IRC is (or who at least haven't used it), and I know people in their 20s who DO use it (or at least know what it is). And it's not as though the knowledge is lost; IRC still exists and there exists plenty of information about it. It's just not carried around in people's heads as much. None of this is good or bad; it ju…
I don't think it's a generational thing either. I know how to use IRC and how to connect with it. The problem is the difference in the amount of energy demanded by the set-up process. Connecting to Slack is extremely simple and I don't have to fiddle with the settings in order to get a decent experience. Compared to IRC, I have to: - Figure out how to configure my client. - Figure out how to interact with the user ac…
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> - Figure out how to configure my client.
> - Figure out how to interact with the user account and moderation bots
I disagree with your initial claim. :P
Those are irc basics, things you only have to learn once, and there is documentation online and on the web. It's worth it to spend the time to learn a tool that you can use throughout your profession, even as the proprietary flavor-of-the-month services come and go.
A great alternative to Slack, in the spirit of IRC, is matrix[1]. It has lots of clients, and a great vision. You use an online client called riot[2] which uses the matrix protocol. There are other clients available[3] including desktop clients. There's E2E encryption coming to more of the clients which is inspired from signal protocol (double ratchet part of it specifically), without Forward secrecy so as to maintai…
Why is there not a web based IRC app?
irccloud.com is pretty awesome. They have a pretty good mobile app as well (at least on android - I'm not an iOS user).
(I'm not affiliated with them, I'm just a happy user)