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Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by ythn »

dragonwriter wrote: post #259
ythn wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if it's United's fault, remind me again why the security guard likely lost his career over this?

Fault isn't exclusive; United could have acted wrongly in calling security (making it United's fault on one level) and security personnel could have acted wrongly once called (making it their fault, as well.) Heck, both of those could be true even with the passenger's actions at some stage also being wrong. The idea that, in any situation that goes badly, exactly one actor must be at fault and all others blameless is…

> The idea that, in any situation that goes badly, exactly one actor must be at fault and all others blameless is distressingly common, but clearly wrong.

So remind me again why we are exclusively lynching United and not potentially other bad actors (passenger, security personnel)?

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by diogenescynic »

abduhl wrote: post #57
diogenescynic wrote: post #19

I'll definitely not be flying United or Delta ever again after this incident. Over-selling spaces on a plane is a scummy practice and shokldn't be allowed. When someone needs to cancel they still pocket the change fee or keep tne entire fee if they miss the flight. Seems like borderline fraud.

I've seen a lot of people with this type of attitude, but I honestly don't buy it for a second. Airline customers don't have any brand loyalty - all they care about is that $10 they save. If you're serious about boycotting United and Delta then you'll also need to boycott the following airlines that codeshare: United Airlines Trans States Holdings United Airlines Commute Air United Airlines ExpressJet United Airlines…

No way, I'll gladly pay more to be on a Virgin or Southwest flight. Every United flight I've ever taken was sub-par and this recent story just solidifies my opinion of the company and that I will avoid them in the future.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by cwkoss »

kobayashi wrote: post #220
arca_vorago wrote: post #139

The real outrage in the airline industry is the fact that we allowed security theatre in the form of TSA to get so damn powerful in the first place. There is no reason to be allowing naked x-ray vision scans, pat downs that border on or actually are assault, etc. As Bruce Schneier said, the one thing they did right after 9/11 was to make the cock-pit doors reinforced and locked from the inside. Do you think rich peop…

>(Of course, the real terrorists are the bankers and financiers) You lost me at this point. That's hateful populist rhetoric.

Those poor oligarchs!

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by charlieflowers »

tylerjd wrote: post #260
jacquesm wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They claimed it was overbooked but that has not been substantiated with any evidence other than the company making that claim and using it to pre-empt those passengers in favor of their dead-headers. The proof that they are bullshitting is that the passengers were already on board when suddenly the plane was declared overbooked. Which to me sounds like UA using an excuse to bump passengers off a flight they are alrea…

That's exactly what they did. Someone up the chain made a mistake. Other airlines board must-ride passengers (i.e. crew deadheading to the next destination) before passengers, but this did not happen. Due to FAA regulations, the movement and sleep requirements of crew is enforced big time. In this case, they had a higher priority than a full-fare passenger (Must Ride), and even though it's morally wrong, it is well w…

Fuck United. Corporations pull shit like this all the time, but they don't often get caught like this.

It's OK with me if United doesn't exist tomorrow. Fuck them.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by mrdrozdov »

danso wrote: post #142

Surprised that people here are taking this at face value. Why would Twitter remove these tweets from random users while leaving the vast majority of negative tweets in place? No proof has been given. Indeed, this Jay Beecher's allegedly deleted tweet is visible as far as I can tell: https://mobile.twitter.com/dancow/status/851808188567388161 edit: To be fair, Beecher says that my tweet refers to tweets he sent out af…

From TNW. Seems relevant:

Update 2, April 11, 11:15ET: Some readers have suggested that the allegedly deleted tweets might have initially appeared as replies to now-deleted tweets, which would explain why they are missing. However, numerous users contacted by TNW rejected this premise, claiming the missing posts were standard tweets.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by dragonwriter »

ythn wrote: post #281
dragonwriter wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fault isn't exclusive; United could have acted wrongly in calling security (making it United's fault on one level) and security personnel could have acted wrongly once called (making it their fault, as well.) Heck, both of those could be true even with the passenger's actions at some stage also being wrong. The idea that, in any situation that goes badly, exactly one actor must be at fault and all others blameless is…

> The idea that, in any situation that goes badly, exactly one actor must be at fault and all others blameless is distressingly common, but clearly wrong. So remind me again why we are exclusively lynching United and not potentially other bad actors (passenger, security personnel)?

I don't see anyone getting anything remotely analogous to a lynching, and I see plenty of posts suggesting error on the part of the passenger and/or security services as well as United, so I entirely reject the premise of your question.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by dopamean »

chc wrote: post #231
dopamean wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People here can be rather humorless.

Wanting a place where every thread isn't derailed by low-effort jokes doesn't mean you're humorless. I mean, I like chocolate, but I don't want to only eat chocolate, and I'd be upset to find my computer screen smeared with chocolate.

Fair enough. It just seems that here people too often advocate for _never_ eating chocolate.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by M_Grey »

danso wrote: post #142

Surprised that people here are taking this at face value. Why would Twitter remove these tweets from random users while leaving the vast majority of negative tweets in place? No proof has been given. Indeed, this Jay Beecher's allegedly deleted tweet is visible as far as I can tell: https://mobile.twitter.com/dancow/status/851808188567388161 edit: To be fair, Beecher says that my tweet refers to tweets he sent out af…

That could just be a matter of attempts at a crackdown failing spectacularly. Reddit mods have been pretty aggressive in trying to prune United stories, without actually blocking or removing them. It can be enough, in other words, just to increase the friction in the system, not to eliminate bad press, but reduce its volume and persistence.

Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by sctb »

spectistcles wrote: post #53
bitL wrote: post #22

Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. Seems like we are going full steam into a dystopian society. I think I should start reading Solzhenitsyn to prepare for what is coming...

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Re: Twitter allegedly deleting negative tweets about United Airlines incident

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Post by dosgonlogs »

jerf wrote: post #115
AlexandrB wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wonderful, so Twitter is now a tool for corporate propaganda, Google is providing Censorship-as-a-Service API, Facebook is removing links classified as "Fake News(tm)", Reddit is deleting whatever mods don't agree with etc. This was inevitable. All the above-mentioned services are funded - in large part - by ads. When it came to choosing between serving the users vs. the advertisers the latter would always win in t…

"This was inevitable. All the above-mentioned services are funded - in large part - by ads." Unsustainable situations always seem to go on for longer than you expect, but I wonder if we're finally getting to be just a year or three out from Adpocalypse, when the ad-supported internet companies finally end up having to face head on that you can not serve two masters. I wonder if there's going to be a market developing…

What if Facebook Released a Premium service, where you pay for the privilege of having no ads served to you? I am sure they have at least considered it a million times, and have decided it would be a bad idea.
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