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Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by kafkaesq »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #36

The solution is clear, de-escalate the war on drugs, reform sentencing guidelines, invest in treatment instead of interdiction. Yet the incoming AG and his inner circle are intent on reversing the progress made to this end over the last decade or so, and instead want to take us back to the policies of the late 80s and 90s. We know where that got us. The private prison companies must be salivating over what's to come.

he private prison companies must be salivating over what's to come.

Indeed, we might say the new administration is like Christmas for them:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/24/opinion/under-mr-trump-pr...

With sugar plums dancing in their heads:

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/12/05/trump-sets-priv...

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by djsumdog »

mercurial wrote: post #50
devoply wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We were talking about using WMDs. When I in fact showed that WMDs were used in the same country by perhaps your country you changed the target to Assad. Well okay, again framing: > The magnitude of Assads participation in first inspiring chaos in Iraq, The Iraq war would qualify as the BIGGEST factor in inspiring chaos in Iraq. > then purging the Syrian people, and an increasingly brutal hold to power, far out weight…

> Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. I think you are widely overestimating both the US involvement and its degree of control over the actors it has links to. I'd be surprised if the main sponsors of the various anti-Assad factions (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) had anyth…

I think you don't understand just what America does in the world. Look up MKUltra, Bay of Pigs, the 73 Coupe in Chile, School of the Americas, Iranian-Contras, the BP/US/UK overthrow of Iran .. I mean the list is seriously as long as you want to make it.

The CIA created ISIS. The Congresswoman from Hawaii, who has visited Syria, even says as much:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by bmelton »

1_2__3 wrote: post #18
morsch wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lovely. He claims it's 2000 firearms per day, so more than 700000 per year. A 2013 article puts the number at around 250000[1]. Time for a war on firearms, maybe? [1] http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24...

Is the US even manufacturing non-military firearms at a rate sufficient for 2k/day to slip out through smuggling? That seems extraordinarily unlikely.

Beretta, who currently supplies the standard issue M9A1 handgun for the US Marine Corps, considers their military sales to be approximately 2% of total gross, so they're definitely doing more in civilian sales than military.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by bmelton »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #42
erghw4u34567 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless that truck driver is a resident of the state in question, no, they can't. Handguns can't be purchased unless you are a legal resident of the state. This applies to every state in the US.

Only in theory. Here in Florida, the traffic in undocumented firearms is huge. Websites for selling, flea markets, gun shows every month, etc. Most states are similar. --NRA member

Perhaps the parent should have added a "legally" to his statement, but out of state handgun sales violate federal law unless they're done through a federally licensed firearms dealer.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by nightbrawler »

mythrwy wrote: post #32
senorjazz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of money at play is enough to corrupt anyone. IF you are working 40-50 hours a week for $80. And some one offers you $500 to just look the other way stating they don't want any trouble here, they don't even want to stop here, this is all going north, but with a clear hint there will be trouble here what are you going to do? Perhaps your kids are ill, need new clothes...

Or perhaps your kids will suddenly get "ill" if you don't comply. Carrot and stick you know.

In Mexico it's plato o plomo... silver or lead.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by koverstreet »

sqeaky wrote: post #37
mirimir wrote: post #8

Forget CIA conspiracy theory. This is just fallout from US problems. Mainly de-industrialization, health care tied to employment, and the War on Drugs.

The war on drugs connection is obvious, but how does our shitty health care system play into this?

It's one of the causes of opiate addiction. Prescribing opiates is cheap, actual face time with doctors is expensive.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by whacker »

nightbrawler wrote: post #55
mythrwy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or perhaps your kids will suddenly get "ill" if you don't comply. Carrot and stick you know.

In Mexico it's plato o plomo... silver or lead.

actually its attributed to pablo escobar, and he was from columbia.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by borp_borp »

SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #13
cyanotic wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you pay close attention, and consider the general rule about shitting on your own doorstep, Mexico's unchecked violence is China knocking. It's really not in American interests to have a wave of violence destabilizing a neighbor that shares a border. China wants the Panama Canal, or something like it. China also has lots of mind bending chemicals it can dump into America, to slow things down economically, while pr…

The US is running something like $100-200 billion through Mexico for drugs while simultaneously pumping tons of money into anti-drug policies (though, an order of magnitude or two less). We're perfectly capable of destabilizing our own neighbors through unrealistic Puritanical policies, tyvm. Mexico is a proxy war between US factions, as is the whole of drug trade in the Americas. It always has been. For reference, M…

  Mexico is a proxy war between US factions.
lolwut

Amazing the the parent gets flagged, but this slips through. WTF are you even talking about, dude?

Puritans at war with... drug people? And you take issues with the post you replied to? Pot is calling kettle black right there. This is some colossal conflation.

Drugs do harm. It's not about tee-totalling nerds obsessing over out-dated sensibilities. The money that gets flushed on drugs is incidental to habitual use, and not a concerted effort to rebel against repressed, sheltered squares.

If much of the money heads south from two predominant channels originating in the U.S. this does not preclude foreign actors further fomenting violence, by fanning the flames for their own reasons.

You can rail against that idea, but then your own concept would be pathetically invalid, all the same.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by mercurial »

djsumdog wrote: post #52
mercurial wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Assad is trying to hold on to legitimate power where the US is attempt to purge Syria of his government using terrorists relabeled freedom fighters who have destabilized the entire country. I think you are widely overestimating both the US involvement and its degree of control over the actors it has links to. I'd be surprised if the main sponsors of the various anti-Assad factions (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) had anyth…

I think you don't understand just what America does in the world. Look up MKUltra, Bay of Pigs, the 73 Coupe in Chile, School of the Americas, Iranian-Contras, the BP/US/UK overthrow of Iran .. I mean the list is seriously as long as you want to make it. The CIA created ISIS. The Congresswoman from Hawaii, who has visited Syria, even says as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdf2WH4g9k

I am not naive about what the US has done and still does. But reading a "list" is not nearly enough. Studying the US support to anti-Soviet forces will tell you much about how funding various insurgent groups goes, if the fact that US-trained forces have a disturbing tendency to sell their hardware to the highest bidder and have as yet to demonstrate any degree of success was not enough of a hint.

Re: Behind the Scenes of Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel

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Post by mirimir »

koverstreet wrote: post #56
sqeaky wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war on drugs connection is obvious, but how does our shitty health care system play into this?

It's one of the causes of opiate addiction. Prescribing opiates is cheap, actual face time with doctors is expensive.

Yes, that's what I meant. Proscribe opiates => patient stops complaining. Cost is $20/mo instead of many $thousands.
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