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Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by deepnet »

GordonS wrote: post #110
koralatov wrote: post #77

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I think you're confusing dialect with language here. Scots and Scottish English are distinct from one another. The latter does borrow some from the former which leads to confusion. Scots is a language, historically equivalent and closely related to English but still distinct. It's a stretch to argue that "many modern English speakers derive from Scots root". At this point in history, most Scots speak Scottish English…

Hey, parent poster here, also living in and around Aberdeen for most of my life :) You're bang on about Doric being difficult for people from elsewhere in Scotland; I have family from the central belt and they really struggle to understand some folk up here!

Aberdonian, Joyce Falconer performs in Doric.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isMWmwfO34

and Aye Can's Doric page [2] is part an audio map of Scottish Dialect

[2] http://www.ayecan.com/listen_to_scots/north_east.html

Sheena's Granny's Doric [3] has a flavour of the musicality of Scots.

[3] http://media.scotslanguage.com/library/audio/ayecan/census_n...

The Scots sort of sang their words, especially the Gaelic speakers, Orcadians and Shetlandic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v37bgydws0E

The BBC's postwar campaign to establish Recieved Pronunciation made the UK largely comprehensible to each other but at great cost to it's unrecorded linguistic diversity - at the time sadly considered vulgar.

Lang may yer Lum Reek ! ( Long may your chimney's smoke - a Fifer greeting )

Dinnae fasch yersel. - Edinburgh's Don't worry yourself ( Keep Calm )

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by koralatov »

dghughes wrote: post #107
rorygreig wrote: post #75

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There are also several places in Nova Scotia that speak Scottish Gaelic. A lot of the road signs in Cape Breton are in Gaelic

Yes. But technically it's just Scottish the language as it is referred to in English there's no need to add Gaelic at the end. Gaelic would be "Scottish language" in Scottish. Just as Irish is a language and in the Irish language Irish is Gaeilge. It's pretty confusing but I think I got it right! Koralatov could explain better below. I'm about 4th generation Irish folks left problem late 1800s from Co. Monaghan. Slán…

Canada has the highest number of Gaidhlig (Scottish Gaelic) speakers outside of Scotland. Nova Scotia -- literally "New Scotland" -- has strong ties with Scotland, being originally colonised by Scots and they celebrate that heritage quite openly.

GordonS is right: Gaidhlig is only ever referred to as "Scottish Gaelic" or, more commonly, just "Gaelic" by Scots on a day-to-day basis. The concept of "Scottish" as a language is pretty murky and is generally not used seriously. Even in these days of awakened Scottish national identity and independence referendums, we all still speak English of a Scottish variety and call it English.

Calling Gaeilge "Irish" and Irish English "English" makes a lot more sense, frankly.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by koralatov »

GordonS wrote: post #110
koralatov wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're confusing dialect with language here. Scots and Scottish English are distinct from one another. The latter does borrow some from the former which leads to confusion. Scots is a language, historically equivalent and closely related to English but still distinct. It's a stretch to argue that "many modern English speakers derive from Scots root". At this point in history, most Scots speak Scottish English…

Hey, parent poster here, also living in and around Aberdeen for most of my life :) You're bang on about Doric being difficult for people from elsewhere in Scotland; I have family from the central belt and they really struggle to understand some folk up here!

Small world! My email is in my profile if you fancy discussing where to buy the best rolls.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by koralatov »

deepnet wrote: post #111
GordonS wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, parent poster here, also living in and around Aberdeen for most of my life :) You're bang on about Doric being difficult for people from elsewhere in Scotland; I have family from the central belt and they really struggle to understand some folk up here!

Aberdonian, Joyce Falconer performs in Doric. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0isMWmwfO34 and Aye Can's Doric page [2] is part an audio map of Scottish Dialect [2] http://www.ayecan.com/listen_to_scots/north_east.html Sheena's Granny's Doric [3] has a flavour of the musicality of Scots. [3] http://media.scotslanguage.com/library/audio/ayecan/census_n... The Scots sort of sang their words, especially the Gaelic speake…

Linguistic flattening had been going longer before the Second World War -- the introduction of railways helped it a long a bit, but radio really sped up the process. My grandmother told me that radio, listened to by all the family, was the first time English was spoken in the family home.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by ryanx435 »

bsder wrote: post #66
ryanx435 wrote: post #59

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Apps and search engines don't win wars

An army travels on it's stomach. http://www.westernfarmpress.com/tree-nuts/what-happens-if-us... And, that oh-so-important-to-the-rest-of-the-country-farming, is less than 5% of California's GDP. California's manufacturing sector is enormous. Good luck repairing your planes without California. And medicine? Oh, yeah, that biotech manufacturing goes bye bye. etc. Our current highly interconnected economies rely on pea…

Are you aware that flyover country, as you Californians call it, is mostly farms?

Noone is gonna starve without california. We might not be able to get avocados during the winter months anymore, but we'll be fine.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by smcl »

collyw wrote: post #73
smcl wrote: post #26

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The thing is "Scandanavia" isn't a country or any sort of meaningful confederation, more a neat way to describe a collection of geographically close countries. What's being proposed here is a country/union of some kind

They seem fairly similar politically as well as geographically.

That's fair, but you still can't "join" them
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