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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by fredley »

krona wrote: post #129
danielpatrick wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. That's why it is very much legal for me to chop up a tree that I find on my property but not a dog.

I don't know where you live but in the UK, dogs are (in law) personal property and discounting welfare issues, you can do what you want with them if you're the owner. Furthermore, farmers can kill your dog (humanly) on his land if it is causing distress to his animals. In law this is a lawful excuse to cause criminal damage. There are all kinds of lawful excuses. For instance, a person (usually a farmer) is free to k…

> discounting welfare issues

Well, that's the whole point.

I thought you were going to say that in the UK, you can't just chop down a tree on your land - there are often legal barriers preventing the felling of listed trees!

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by fredley »

samueladam wrote: post #111
i_cant_speel wrote: post #103

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Plants don't feel pain.

https://www.ted.com/talks/stefano_mancuso_the_roots_of_plant...

Plants react to things that can harm them. Pain, however, is something that it requires neurons to experience.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by DanBC »

milesrout wrote: post #83
DanBC wrote: post #38

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Red meat is, according to WHO, a probable carcinogen, although the increased risk is quite small.

Literally everything is a fucking carcinogen.

> Literally everything is a fucking carcinogen

> > Red meat is not dangerous.

Pick one.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by hamax »

Ntrails wrote: post #109
bananicorn wrote: post #105

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Am I so wrong in the assumption, that if someone claims to love something, he won't hurt it? Allow me to put this into a little statement: "I love you, but now I have to kill you, so I can consume you" And they still cause suffering. A mother loses her child (calf), a sister her brother, just because there is someone who wants to eat him/her/it?

I'm going to eat bacon. Why? Because it's tasty and I enjoy it. Om Nom Nom. I'm aware that an animal died for my tasty bacon sandwich. I'm ok with that, because I rank the animal's life as less important than my morning. I'm not going to torture an animal because I derive no pleasure from it. Given the choice, therefore, I would rather the pig lived a happy enough life in a field with little pig huts to live in befor…

If someone enjoys torturing animals for fun do you feel fine legalizing it?

Dog fights used to be very popular, but for some reason most people find it unacceptable even though those dogs probably had/have better lives than most farm animals.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by corobo »

algesten wrote: post #80
Swizec wrote: post #73

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It does not want to suffer. Not wanting to die has more to do with avoiding suffering/pain than it does with the dying itself. Ideally I could eat animals that are happy and content then instantly dead without ever knowing what's happening. If we could breed them with little switches in their brain stems that can be turned to Off via a wireless signal ... I'd want that. That would be great. Press button, chicken drop…

> Ultimately the point is that meat is tasty. If it was only about avoiding suffering/pain and not the dying, would you be okay with farming children for eating? They will live happy lives pampered and cared for, running around in the backyard until you press a button and child drops dead. Takes 1 microsecond to die. It's obviously absurd, but you're making that decision with the animals you eat all the time. A chick…

I understand it's an absurd argument but children are sentient and has far more potential than a chicken by being allowed to live out their natural life.

If a child grows up and does nothing more than put together a single shoddy chicken coop that lets water in and falls over in a mild breeze it has infinitely out-performed the chicken. People with disabilities are still infinitely more capable than chickens, cows, most any animal we eat.

There's also the problem of disease transmission too if you really want to hash out the idea. Most diseases don't transfer between species (at least not in catastrophic ways), if we were eating other humans there would be a lot of new diseases we'd need to fight or die from. See also BSE [1] and CJD [2] as examples of problems that occur through cannibalism.

[1] Bovine spongiform encephalopathy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopat...

[2] Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt%E2%80%93Jakob_dise... - particularly the "Cannibalism" section of Transmission.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by wordpressdev »

Hexcles wrote: post #118

Animal welfare aside, I find people in North America really in favour of chicken breast, much more than other parts, say chicken thigh. Yet I myself think chicken thigh tastes much better, especially with the skin (yet again it is usually skinless in supermarkets here, unfortunately). Is it because of nutrition (percentage of fat/protein etc.)? On top of that, chicken feet are considered unacceptable by many...

I like both breasts and thighs.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by lovich »

adaml_623 wrote: post #90
pvaldes wrote: post #71

This is not a problem caused by antibiotics. Is a problem of genetic nature that happens because broilers are inbreed for growing big and fast. The same birds in true range with plenty of food would face exactly the same problem, with or without antibiotics. They are too heavy and often tend to have cardiac diseases, but they live short lives and are delicious so they are the most sucessful bird in the planet. On the…

"the most successful bird on the planet" is an interesting line considering that they are all killed and eaten. I guess the obvious line of reasoning is to talk about how GDP is less than perfect for measuring economic success, etc. Sometimes large numbers are not a sign of success.

Aren't most animals killed and eaten? Some die from disease and then are eaten by bacteria, but I was under the impression that death from old age was a rare event in the wild animal world

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by dantillberg »

Hexcles wrote: post #118

Animal welfare aside, I find people in North America really in favour of chicken breast, much more than other parts, say chicken thigh. Yet I myself think chicken thigh tastes much better, especially with the skin (yet again it is usually skinless in supermarkets here, unfortunately). Is it because of nutrition (percentage of fat/protein etc.)? On top of that, chicken feet are considered unacceptable by many...

On the bright side: I live in the US, I love the "dark"/fatty meat on chickens, and I don't mind that everyone else here prefers "white"/dry chicken meat because that means a) chicken thighs are often much less expensive, and b) I rarely have to fight over the thighs and other fatty meat when sharing a full bird.

Edit to add: As for why other people prefer white meat, people usually invoke that it tastes better, but I've always figured that this was an acquired taste and that decades of pressure to reduce fat in our diets pushed people continually over to breast meat.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by wahnfrieden »

beaconstudios wrote: post #62
pavlov wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?

I think the move to free-range farming has helped a lot to improve the situation. The majority of shops near me stock primarily free-range eggs and chicken due to consumer demand.

You should be looking for eggs marked with the keyword "pastured", which is what you actually envision would be expressed by the deceptive "free-range". Pastured eggs are quite a bit more expensive of course.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by bpicolo »

Hexcles wrote: post #118

Animal welfare aside, I find people in North America really in favour of chicken breast, much more than other parts, say chicken thigh. Yet I myself think chicken thigh tastes much better, especially with the skin (yet again it is usually skinless in supermarkets here, unfortunately). Is it because of nutrition (percentage of fat/protein etc.)? On top of that, chicken feet are considered unacceptable by many...

There are plenty of Americans grossed out by chicken feet for sure, but to be real they're not convenient to eat. I suspect that's along the lines of the breast preference as well (no skin, bone to deal with for most sold in stores).

I cook mostly with thighs, for sure. Much prefer the flavor, but also they're 1/3 the price.

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