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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Chris2048 »

pjc50 wrote: post #46
DonHopkins wrote: post #35

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Like "Chicken Little" from "The Space Merchants" (1952) by Frederik Pohl and C. M. Kornbluth [1]: He swung open her door. “This is her nest,” he said proudly. I looked and gulped. It was a great concrete dome, concrete-floored. Chicken Little filled most of it. She was a gray-brown, rubbery hemisphere some fifteen yards in diameter. Dozens of pipes ran into her pulsating flesh. You could see that she was alive. Herre…

The real, human equivalent is "HeLa", taken without her consent from Henrietta Lacks in the 50s and grown endlessly since then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Why mention consent? The supreme court ruled it was not required.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by omginternets »

Baeocystin wrote: post #48
omginternets wrote: post #22

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And here I was thinking "(true) free-range as the norm can't come soon enough". I'm very skeptical of fake meet insofar as nutrition involves highly complex systems. Surely the risk of a trans-fat-like health debacle is non-negligible ... tl;dr: fake meat isn't a problem per se , but I sure as hell won't be the first one to eat it. I'll consider it when there's >50 years of hard data on the record.

Cell expansion already has decades of science behind it. There isn't anything hard about it, either. You or I could expand cultures in our kitchens with minimal difficulty as it is. The hard part of 'fake meat' (which isn't fake, it's real muscle tissue, it's just grown differently) is that muscle alone doesn't taste good, or have a pleasing texture. You need connective tissue, fat, blood vessels... The whole lot, re…

>Cell expansion already has decades of science behind it

Not where nutritional epidemiology is concerned. Not by a long shot.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by i_cant_speel »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #97
jmngomes wrote: post #74

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>> poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner The bird was not "encouraged to grow", it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains... >> I wonder if it was painful for the bird I seems very safe to assume that it didn't have a remotely pleasant or normal life...

> it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains The same could be said for plants.

Plants don't feel pain.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by andrewingram »

algesten wrote: post #80
Swizec wrote: post #73

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It does not want to suffer. Not wanting to die has more to do with avoiding suffering/pain than it does with the dying itself. Ideally I could eat animals that are happy and content then instantly dead without ever knowing what's happening. If we could breed them with little switches in their brain stems that can be turned to Off via a wireless signal ... I'd want that. That would be great. Press button, chicken drop…

> Ultimately the point is that meat is tasty. If it was only about avoiding suffering/pain and not the dying, would you be okay with farming children for eating? They will live happy lives pampered and cared for, running around in the backyard until you press a button and child drops dead. Takes 1 microsecond to die. It's obviously absurd, but you're making that decision with the animals you eat all the time. A chick…

Yeah. I find that when you really think about the ethics of eating meat, it becomes increasingly difficult to justify a position somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. It's similar to the abortion debate, I've adopted a position (pro-choice) that I can't fully defend. The catch is that the sliding scale isn't a strawman, it's incredibly hard to justify an arbitrary line where one side is okay and the other isn't.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by bananicorn »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #81
bananicorn wrote: post #57

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I'd really like to understand these statements - You seem to care about the well-being of the animal while it is alive, but then decide to kill it (or let it be killed) for its meat. What's the point? You understand that this animal is happy and thus does not want to be killed, but you value it being happy. Don't these two sentiments exclude each other?

>> Don't these two sentiments exclude each other? Not the OP, but a meat eater. I think it's obvious for most people that they want to eat meat but they don't want to cause unnecessary suffering. Those two sentiments aren't just not mutually exclusive, they complement each other. I know people who keep animals for their meat- chickens, ducks, goats, pigs and a cow or two. I've seen them really care for, and about the…

Am I so wrong in the assumption, that if someone claims to love something, he won't hurt it?

Allow me to put this into a little statement: "I love you, but now I have to kill you, so I can consume you"

And they still cause suffering. A mother loses her child (calf), a sister her brother, just because there is someone who wants to eat him/her/it?

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by chickenfacts77 »

screwt wrote: post #88
beaconstudios wrote: post #62

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I think the move to free-range farming has helped a lot to improve the situation. The majority of shops near me stock primarily free-range eggs and chicken due to consumer demand.

Be aware that 'free range' and ('organic', FWIW) are close to meaningless in terms of animal welfare. Both give a set of definitions for what meets the label, which is then achieved by farmers by the most cost-effective means possible. E.g. 1 - 'free range' chickens have almost no extra space per chicken compared to battery-farmed chickens, and many die after being trampled by the others. They are at least a breed wh…

Re: your 2nd example, that's generally not true. Sick animals are usually given treatment including antibiotics. If the treatment disqualifies them from organic status they're moved into a different food stream. This is done for economic reasons, not care for the animal's welfare. Despite the image of a quaint family farm, most organic food is still a product of large industrial operations; someone like Tyson foods prices chicken similar to airline seats

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by ryanmarsh »

pavlov wrote: post #27
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

This is just the tip of the iceberg in how animals are treated. Industrial meat production practically runs its margins on increasing the suffering of animals in a manner that narrowly avoids this kind of visible anomalies in the product. As many others have noted in the past, slave labor and concentration camps operated on a similar industrial calculus of forcibly squeezing out value from living beings before puttin…

What is the biologic incentive for a homo sapien to give up 100% of all animal based foods based upon the pain and suffering of some animals used for food?

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Ntrails »

bananicorn wrote: post #105
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #81

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>> Don't these two sentiments exclude each other? Not the OP, but a meat eater. I think it's obvious for most people that they want to eat meat but they don't want to cause unnecessary suffering. Those two sentiments aren't just not mutually exclusive, they complement each other. I know people who keep animals for their meat- chickens, ducks, goats, pigs and a cow or two. I've seen them really care for, and about the…

Am I so wrong in the assumption, that if someone claims to love something, he won't hurt it? Allow me to put this into a little statement: "I love you, but now I have to kill you, so I can consume you" And they still cause suffering. A mother loses her child (calf), a sister her brother, just because there is someone who wants to eat him/her/it?

I'm going to eat bacon. Why? Because it's tasty and I enjoy it. Om Nom Nom. I'm aware that an animal died for my tasty bacon sandwich. I'm ok with that, because I rank the animal's life as less important than my morning.

I'm not going to torture an animal because I derive no pleasure from it. Given the choice, therefore, I would rather the pig lived a happy enough life in a field with little pig huts to live in before it was slaughtered. I'm willing to pay more for that to be the case, because I think it's the decent thing to do.

I don't love animals in general, heck I barely love any humans...

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kranner »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #97
jmngomes wrote: post #74

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>> poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner The bird was not "encouraged to grow", it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains... >> I wonder if it was painful for the bird I seems very safe to assume that it didn't have a remotely pleasant or normal life...

> it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains The same could be said for plants.

That is a completely disingenuous argument unless you truly believe that plants are as sentient as animals.
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