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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by pjmlp »

batiudrami wrote: post #33
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

Unless one is producing their own vegetables, industrial production of them is no different than meat.

I know of local farms where getting above average cabbages, from little seed to the nice looking one on the market stands, takes little more than one month, thanks to the chemicals they get.

It is nothing more than "I feel good" kind of thing.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by jsz0 »

pavlov wrote: post #27
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

This is just the tip of the iceberg in how animals are treated. Industrial meat production practically runs its margins on increasing the suffering of animals in a manner that narrowly avoids this kind of visible anomalies in the product. As many others have noted in the past, slave labor and concentration camps operated on a similar industrial calculus of forcibly squeezing out value from living beings before puttin…

> "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free."

Forcing (?) billions of people to change their eating habits is a far more difficult task than a quaint little Civil War to settle slavery.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by andoon »

gambiting wrote: post #30
andoon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because red meat is much more expensive, especially if you want a good cut. Chicken for example does not have fat or any obnoxious connective tissue, no matter what cut you get.

Have you ever seen chicken thighs? They are very fatty,you usually need to trim it off before cooking. Breasts aren't, but chicken has more edible parts than just breasts.

They are fatty, but it's fat you can eat (do you remove it when you roast a whole chicken?)

Compare that to the fat of most parts of the pork, which is usually so tough you can't chew it (so you have to remove it with a knife as you eat it) or to a veal, which sometimes has that yellowish fat that even tastes acidic. It's awful.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by mikekchar »

curiousDog wrote: post #36
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly going Vegan. What sorts of protein do you usually eat?

Lentils (any kind of beans/peas) and rice will give you complete proteins. When I was vegan (gave it up when I got married, like many things ;-) ) I didn't eat much tofu mainly because it has a huge amount of fat. I actually eat a lot more now that I'm not vegan.

Vegan is a bit challenging for nutrition because things like zinc are fairly hard to get. Although the UI is fairly poor, I recommend using nut [0] to help you calculate how you are doing. I haven't actually seen anything else even close for a nutrient calculator (which is strange since you would think it would be an obvious piece of software for people to write).

Also take this advice from the Vegan society on vitamin B12 [1]. There is a lot of dangerous information out there, so be careful.

I really enjoyed being vegan. Unlike many vegans, I was not an ethical vegan. I just like eating that way. I actually became vegetarian to save money when I was young and poor (meat or beer was an easy equation for me to solve). After a while, I just found that the foods I enjoyed the most and that made me feel the best were vegan. YMMV :-D

No reason to go crazy at first, though. Just start cooking vegan meals. If you become vegan full time, you'll be cooking a lot in most countries, so be prepared for it.

[0] http://nut.sourceforge.net/ [1] https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/...

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by doc_holliday »

pjmlp wrote: post #51
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

Unless one is producing their own vegetables, industrial production of them is no different than meat. I know of local farms where getting above average cabbages, from little seed to the nice looking one on the market stands, takes little more than one month, thanks to the chemicals they get. It is nothing more than "I feel good" kind of thing.

How is that in anyway comparable to the suffering of an actual animal?

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by stinos »

np422 wrote: post #41
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab. Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken ... I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father

As far is 'happy cow' goes, there still can be a huge difference between both cases in how they live and die. Firstly, a 'grass fed' or 'forage chicken' label can cover a whole lot of different things. I don't know which country you're from, whether those are the official definitions nor what they mean. But I do know countries where something like 'forage chicken' depending on exact translation and law doesn't even mean they ever saw any daylight or living plants in their life. Just that they got like 1 square meter to live on instead of 1/4. But it doesn't end there. Take the grassfeeding: even if it actually means they could range free on nice green fields, from the moment production starts being all about the money and goes into the direction of industrial-scale it is unfortunately not unlikely their last hours on the way to and in the slaughterhouse were stress, torture and immense pain. Refer to e.g. the recent (very graphic) movie which popped up in Belgium where you could see what goes on in a slaughterhouses processing thousand of pigs a day and how far it deviated from what the laws for it prescribe.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by bananicorn »

np422 wrote: post #41
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab. Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

I'd really like to understand these statements - You seem to care about the well-being of the animal while it is alive, but then decide to kill it (or let it be killed) for its meat. What's the point?

You understand that this animal is happy and thus does not want to be killed, but you value it being happy.

Don't these two sentiments exclude each other?

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by pavlov »

pjmlp wrote: post #51
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

Unless one is producing their own vegetables, industrial production of them is no different than meat. I know of local farms where getting above average cabbages, from little seed to the nice looking one on the market stands, takes little more than one month, thanks to the chemicals they get. It is nothing more than "I feel good" kind of thing.

Unless one is producing their own vegetables, industrial production of them is no different than meat.

There's an enormous difference between eating grains directly and using them to grow animals which eventually become meat. Industrial meat production has a greater negative environmental impact than agriculture.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Luc »

np422 wrote: post #41
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab. Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

> I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

There's an inkling of empathy there, I suppose. It's a start.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by pavlov »

DonHopkins wrote: post #35
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Like "Chicken Little" from "The Space Merchants" (1952) by Frederik Pohl and C. M. Kornbluth [1]: He swung open her door. “This is her nest,” he said proudly. I looked and gulped. It was a great concrete dome, concrete-floored. Chicken Little filled most of it. She was a gray-brown, rubbery hemisphere some fifteen yards in diameter. Dozens of pipes ran into her pulsating flesh. You could see that she was alive. Herre…

I recently read The Space Merchants for the first time. It's astonishingly prescient.

Just replace New York with San Francisco, and "ad agencies" with "tech companies who derive their revenue from ads"... And the book is a surprisingly accurate satirical portrait of what we're living today. (You can also see a shadow of Donald Trump in the book's portrayal of the U.S. President.)

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