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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by np422 »

ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc

Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab.

Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by mandrake-c-papi »

curiousDog wrote: post #36
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly going Vegan. What sorts of protein do you usually eat?

Beans and tofu are the obvious ones. Stuff like quinoa and nuts are good too. Even green vegetables are good, you just need to eat a lot of them which you can because the calorie density is typically so low.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by qubyte »

ikurei wrote: post #34
qubyte wrote: post #29

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Not if we're talking about advances in textured vegetable protein. When I read "fake meat" I take it to mean that it's not animal derived. Otherwise it'd just be meat.

Still, we can do something about it right now. We may need meat, but we don't need meat in every meal; if we reduced the consumption of meat, we could conceivably switch to more expensive, less efficient, more humane ways to grow animals. If you can afford it, you can also only buy meat from non-intensive farming. Or stop eating meat all together. I just don't think it's morally right to wait for a solution that may…

I absolutely agree. Reducing consumption is a win on pretty much every front. Another thing to do is diversify what is eaten. Have some (sustainably sourced) fish or shell fish a couple of days a week.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by rickycook »

np422 wrote: post #41
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab. Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

most of us in hacker news aren't most of the world.

also, "natural" is a kind of ridiculous term. plenty of food additives are natural, but that doesn't make them good. also plenty that are unnatural aren't all bad.

medicines are highly "unnatural", but they save lives. why is food any different?

given how quickly we're heading toward a world in which we don't have the land area to be able to feed our population (and by "heading toward" i mean we already don't and it's getting worse), grass fed anything is totally unsustainable. lab grown meat, or lab vegetables might be our best option, and i'd go with that over a tortured chicken any day

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by [deleted] »

pavlov wrote: post #39
SerLava wrote: post #31

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>Waiting for "fake meat" to fix the problem is like saying: "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free." It's kind of like that... except that slaves were people - not chickens. Which certainly flavors the metaphor a bit.

Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?

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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by pjc50 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #35
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Like "Chicken Little" from "The Space Merchants" (1952) by Frederik Pohl and C. M. Kornbluth [1]: He swung open her door. “This is her nest,” he said proudly. I looked and gulped. It was a great concrete dome, concrete-floored. Chicken Little filled most of it. She was a gray-brown, rubbery hemisphere some fifteen yards in diameter. Dozens of pipes ran into her pulsating flesh. You could see that she was alive. Herre…

The real, human equivalent is "HeLa", taken without her consent from Henrietta Lacks in the 50s and grown endlessly since then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by [deleted] »

np422 wrote: post #41
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

Most of us here on hacker news can afford to buy real food such as grass feed beef/lamb, forage egg/chicken, etc Seems like a more natural evolutionary correct way to get our food rather than some kind of franken-meat grown i lab. Every autumn I buy a lamb from the farmer living next to my father, I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it.

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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Baeocystin »

omginternets wrote: post #22
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

And here I was thinking "(true) free-range as the norm can't come soon enough". I'm very skeptical of fake meet insofar as nutrition involves highly complex systems. Surely the risk of a trans-fat-like health debacle is non-negligible ... tl;dr: fake meat isn't a problem per se , but I sure as hell won't be the first one to eat it. I'll consider it when there's >50 years of hard data on the record.

Cell expansion already has decades of science behind it. There isn't anything hard about it, either. You or I could expand cultures in our kitchens with minimal difficulty as it is.

The hard part of 'fake meat' (which isn't fake, it's real muscle tissue, it's just grown differently) is that muscle alone doesn't taste good, or have a pleasing texture. You need connective tissue, fat, blood vessels... The whole lot, really. And that is a much more difficult problem.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by manibatra »

curiousDog wrote: post #36
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly going Vegan. What sorts of protein do you usually eat?

Here are a couple of posts that I wrote when about my fitness routine and diet when I transitioned from being an omnivore to a vegan. Hope it helps even though I am not a great writer. Happy to answer any more questions too :)

https://medium.com/@manibatra23/2016-a-reflection-e80378393f...

https://medium.com/@manibatra23/2016-a-reflection-diet-30c15...

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by jlebrech »

curiousDog wrote: post #36
batiudrami wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the meantime you might find vegetarianism surprisingly easy - I know I did. It is initially a bit of extra effort because you need to learn brand new recipes and depending on where you live you might have limited restaurant selections but I mostly gave up meat 18 months ago and was surprised at how easy it was. Plus it's way cheaper and you get to massively reduce your carbon footprint too. It's not for everyone b…

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly going Vegan. What sorts of protein do you usually eat?

you can make really tasty tofu nuggets.
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