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Just bite the bullet and hackintosh. It's ridiculously easy. I put one together in an afternoon with parts I had lying around. It even had GPU acceleration for all those silly UI animations to run smoothly. There are lists of hardware that are guaranteed to work. I'm not a Mac guy so I scrapped the system, but as a bored weekend project it was fun. I had no issues installing updates, networking was fine etc.
I tried this a year or so ago, my only stumbling block was getting iMessage/iCloud working properly, which was very difficult, has that improved?
Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
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Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#32Second article and I still don't understand why they can't at least do a spec bump every year. If not possible due to suppliers a price drop should at least grab some market share. With the resources Apple has, anything else is simple negligence.
On the Accidental Tech Podcast from the other day it was hinted they heard rumors that Apple engineers did try and do some spec bumps, but they kept running into thermal problems no matter what they tried. I guess they were really really close to the edge with that design, and Marco said he's heard those GPUs are failing from heat issues fairly often.
https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/06/transcript-phil-schiller-c...
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#33It's just that it's not worth $4,000 or even $3,000. The trashcan is cool, despite looking like a trashcan, but way too expensive for what you get. Something at that price needs to last, and permit upgrades. For what you get, and what you can do with it, it's not worth more than $1,000. Many Apple fans buy for status though, and Apple knows this, hence the watch. So, simply having the price tag as an ornament works f…
Right now it's not worth more than $1,000. When it was released it was competitive with other workstation-class desktops. $3–4k is a normal price for that kind of hardware, it's not trying to compete with a Dell Inspiron.
At that price, other high-end professional workstations ship with beneficial options such as hard copies of offline-installable Operating System software, that does not require an internet connection. User-servicable parts, and expansion kits are normal. Variety and options are left open, to aid the owner in upgrading or altering the stock model. Professionals pay extra, to acquire versatile high-quality base units that they possess the skill to alter themselves, according to their preferred tasks.
Microsoft is experiencing the exact same sort of backlash against Windows 10, with too much phoning home, and network activity that flouts user consent.
As a professional, one expects an outfitter to appreciate the technical capacity for their clientele to negotiate complexity. One also expects a professional tool to perform exactly the task required, and only the task required, and nothing extra.
As a company Apple does not do this anymore. They sell fixed hardware profiles, and refuse alterations. They discourage meddling with low-level operating system components. The software is free, but you couldn't buy an offline copy if you tried.
Apple's hardware policies have changed. The machine you buy from Apple now, will not be upgraded by Apple, even with Apple parts, and in most cases has been engineered to prevent alteration at the expense of the unit. For example, Apple will not assist in upgrading from a 128GB SSD stick, to a 2TB SSD stick, even if they sell new models off the shelf with the same hardware profile. Doing so yourself will exclude a machine from receiving service at an Apple store.
Appliances are sold to lock in consumers, and coerce behavior. A professional selects equipment to enable activity, not to play into a business model.
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#34I hope somebody at Apple can get it through their heads that a Mac Pro desktop doesn't need to be the thinnest, lightest box full of the most exotic parts with corners engineered to within fractions of a millimeter. It just needs to: 1. Run macOS 2. be fast as hell 3. be quiet 4. be reasonably priced 5. be somewhat expandable on the inside with RAM and disks 6. have a variety of external ports 7. be spec-bumped at le…
Due to this, they try to innovate on form-factor, which is the aspect they have most control over the product design. The problem is that this is directly at odds with 4) price, 5) expandability and (to a certain extent) easy to 7) spec-bump every year.
So I think it's very unlikely the next MacPro will fulfill this wish-list, even if it seems rational at first.
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
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Bring back the cheese grater!
That's really not a bad idea. The Macbook I'm using now looks pretty similar to the Macbook I was using when those towers were still in production - even the G5 version. I'm sure people are making FrakenMacs using this enclosure using old, broken Ebay'd enclosures and cheap off the shelf parts that creme the official Mac.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the Accidental Tech Podcast from the other day it was hinted they heard rumors that Apple engineers did try and do some spec bumps, but they kept running into thermal problems no matter what they tried. I guess they were really really close to the edge with that design, and Marco said he's heard those GPUs are failing from heat issues fairly often.
That's not just rumors. In the interview, Craig Federighi said: > I’d say longer than six months ago. But I think we designed ourselves into a bit of a thermal corner, if you will. We designed a system that we thought with the kind of GPUs that at the time we thought we needed, and that we thought we could well serve with a two GPU architecture… that that was the thermal limit we needed, or the thermal capacity we ne…
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right now it's not worth more than $1,000. When it was released it was competitive with other workstation-class desktops. $3–4k is a normal price for that kind of hardware, it's not trying to compete with a Dell Inspiron.
Even so, even if you bought the most expensive model for Christmas in 2013, it's a raw deal simply because the hardware profile is that of a fixed appliance. At that price, other high-end professional workstations ship with beneficial options such as hard copies of offline-installable Operating System software, that does not require an internet connection. User-servicable parts, and expansion kits are normal. Variety…
I really want a new version of the cheese grater, but if that's not what comes out I'll just get another iMac (which isn't upgradable either, but it's cheaper and I'm not interested in running a Hackintosh).
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#38Second article and I still don't understand why they can't at least do a spec bump every year. If not possible due to suppliers a price drop should at least grab some market share. With the resources Apple has, anything else is simple negligence.
Engineers, and especially the hardware kind, are a limited resource. Not that Apple couldn't spend even more than they currently are on growth, but they're reaching some limits, and until later this year office space is/will be one of them. This is combined with the fact that the Mac Pro sells in the "low single digit" percentage range of Mac sales means that it's hard to justify an outsized expense. When factoring i…
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#39Three related but not dependent things keep getting conflated: 1. The trash can design was not able to accommodate much heat variance and so was not updatable. 2. The trash can Mac Pro didn't suit some pro needs because of lack of graphics card and internal storage upgradability. 3. Dual graphics cards with an emphasis on OpenCL was the wrong direction to go in.
Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess
#40I just wish they'd admit the same for the latest Macbook Pro where they appear to be optimizing for things that pros don't care about and removing things they do care about!