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Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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The linked Daring Fireball article[1] is a lot more interesting and informative [1] http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

Also, nothing in the Daring Fireball article (the author of which was actually present at the meeting with Apple) supports anything nearly as juicy as "Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess".

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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I'm not entirely sure why Apple doesn't just use ITX or mATX motherboard layouts for its pro line, and bring back a "Mac" regular line. Yes, potentially someone could by an "Apple" genuine repair motherboard and DIY their own, but that would make a lot of people happier.... then also make best of breed cases, that can only be had with a full Mac or Mac Pro. Yeah, it would potentially cut into their margins on mac har…

Bring back the cheese grater!

That's really not a bad idea. The Macbook I'm using now looks pretty similar to the Macbook I was using when those towers were still in production - even the G5 version.

I'm sure people are making FrakenMacs using this enclosure using old, broken Ebay'd enclosures and cheap off the shelf parts that creme the official Mac.

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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I hope somebody at Apple can get it through their heads that a Mac Pro desktop doesn't need to be the thinnest, lightest box full of the most exotic parts with corners engineered to within fractions of a millimeter. It just needs to: 1. Run macOS 2. be fast as hell 3. be quiet 4. be reasonably priced 5. be somewhat expandable on the inside with RAM and disks 6. have a variety of external ports 7. be spec-bumped at le…

Just bite the bullet and hackintosh. It's ridiculously easy. I put one together in an afternoon with parts I had lying around. It even had GPU acceleration for all those silly UI animations to run smoothly. There are lists of hardware that are guaranteed to work. I'm not a Mac guy so I scrapped the system, but as a bored weekend project it was fun.

I had no issues installing updates, networking was fine etc.

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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I hope somebody at Apple can get it through their heads that a Mac Pro desktop doesn't need to be the thinnest, lightest box full of the most exotic parts with corners engineered to within fractions of a millimeter. It just needs to: 1. Run macOS 2. be fast as hell 3. be quiet 4. be reasonably priced 5. be somewhat expandable on the inside with RAM and disks 6. have a variety of external ports 7. be spec-bumped at le…

> you'll sell units

Not just sell units, and probably not sell (many) more units, but you can sell units at a way higher profit margin. As pretty as the new Mac Pro is and as amazing as it is as a piece of technology, I have to believe that the one-time R&D costs of the Mac Pro are huge and directly contribute to the stagnated pace of upgrades.

While the cheese-grater Mac Pros weren't nearly as slick-looking as the oversized coffee cans, Apple could effectively throw out the whole internals of the cheese graters every year or two, put a mostly generic motherboard in it, with a wholly generic GPU and completely vanilla CPU/Memory/Disks and have a whoppingly fast machine with relatively minimal R&D cost, even while upgrading it in lock-step with external (intel/Nvidia/etc) evolutions. With the coffee cans, every single upgrade will require a huge redesign at a huge expense due to the tight integration.

While I understand the benefits of and necessity of tight integration in basically every single other product that Apple sells, its antithetical to the point of a Mac Pro.

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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I hope somebody at Apple can get it through their heads that a Mac Pro desktop doesn't need to be the thinnest, lightest box full of the most exotic parts with corners engineered to within fractions of a millimeter. It just needs to: 1. Run macOS 2. be fast as hell 3. be quiet 4. be reasonably priced 5. be somewhat expandable on the inside with RAM and disks 6. have a variety of external ports 7. be spec-bumped at le…

Just bite the bullet and hackintosh. It's ridiculously easy. I put one together in an afternoon with parts I had lying around. It even had GPU acceleration for all those silly UI animations to run smoothly. There are lists of hardware that are guaranteed to work. I'm not a Mac guy so I scrapped the system, but as a bored weekend project it was fun. I had no issues installing updates, networking was fine etc.

I tried this a year or so ago, my only stumbling block was getting iMessage/iCloud working properly, which was very difficult, has that improved?

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just bite the bullet and hackintosh. It's ridiculously easy. I put one together in an afternoon with parts I had lying around. It even had GPU acceleration for all those silly UI animations to run smoothly. There are lists of hardware that are guaranteed to work. I'm not a Mac guy so I scrapped the system, but as a bored weekend project it was fun. I had no issues installing updates, networking was fine etc.

I tried this a year or so ago, my only stumbling block was getting iMessage/iCloud working properly, which was very difficult, has that improved?

No idea sorry. I put the system together to tinker with some iOS dev, but lost interest after a few months. I don't use any of the rest of the Mac ecosystem, so not sure how that functions.

What's special about iMessage/iCloud which poses an issue on a hackintosh?

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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post #3

The linked Daring Fireball article[1] is a lot more interesting and informative [1] http://daringfireball.net/2017/04/the_mac_pro_lives

Also, nothing in the Daring Fireball article (the author of which was actually present at the meeting with Apple) supports anything nearly as juicy as "Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess".

Not surprising given the reputation of Daring Fireball to be an Apple fan boy.

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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I don't get why we see so much negative about Apple here on HN. Yes, they made some wrong decisions. But the OS (macOS) is still the same, and most pro use an iMac nowadays. On the otherside it looks grim if you eant to continue the PC pro path as Windows 10 just sends way to many data. I cannot imagine it's okay for anyone that locale docx, pdf and jpg files are sent to Redmond/Washington when Windows thinks it's about time (if a application crashes, gets unresponses or slow downs). Or I cannot imagine it's okay for anyone that Windows 10 sends a list of all music and video played, as well as the browser history and the speech-recognition text-results in plain text to Redmond. (You don't believe, well read their recently released documentation!!) Every other company would face a outcry and be called adware and spyware. Yet Windows 10 gets away? Why? Mac is still way better.

Re: Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, nothing in the Daring Fireball article (the author of which was actually present at the meeting with Apple) supports anything nearly as juicy as "Apple admits the Mac Pro was a mess".

Not surprising given the reputation of Daring Fireball to be an Apple fan boy.

Or The Verge is just trying to grab attention with a sensationalist clickbait headline?
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