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Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by nickpsecurity »

mintplant wrote: post #198
SEJeff wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe, but from a corporate standpoint, Mozilla's leadership is pretty abysmal. Take the entire debacle with Mozilla Messaging. It was pretty much the only serious game in town for a decent gui mail client on Linux or really cross platform and they dropped it on the floor instead of finding some way to monetize it. I'd have paid for a decent Linux mail client with sensible calendaring (that isn't evolution aka outloo…

Mozilla is (in practice) a non-profit, monetization is not the goal outside of what is necessary for continuity.

Is that really true? It seems most of their effort is funded by the corporation that makes boatloads of money off search revenue. Then, there's the nonprofit that owns it. I believe monetization is definitely one of their goals even though I can't say the priority.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by greenhouse_gas »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #174
overcast wrote: post #43

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Debian and apt-get are the final Linux distribution / package manager I will ever use. Fifteen years of compiling dependency hell, never again.

You're missing out. Nix is a fantastic package manager with features that apt (and similar) simply do not have. NixOS is not perfect yet, but it's very usable, and quickly improving.

Can't say this enough. You write a config script for your OS and run it.

Need to set up device #25?

Upload and run. You're guaranteed to get the same system as device #24,23...

You can keep it in source control, etc.

If it (or guix - no systemd FTW) takes off, I can't imagine using another distro again.

Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have enough maintainers yet (a year or so ago nginx was some 4 or 5 versions behind, and they definitely don't do backports/LTS).

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by thomastjeffery »

greenhouse_gas wrote: post #202
thomastjeffery wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing out. Nix is a fantastic package manager with features that apt (and similar) simply do not have. NixOS is not perfect yet, but it's very usable, and quickly improving.

Can't say this enough. You write a config script for your OS and run it. Need to set up device #25? Upload and run. You're guaranteed to get the same system as device #24,23... You can keep it in source control, etc. If it (or guix - no systemd FTW) takes off, I can't imagine using another distro again. Unfortunately, though, it doesn't have enough maintainers yet (a year or so ago nginx was some 4 or 5 versions behi…

The biggest problem Nix[OS] has right now is documentation. The wiki is deprecated, but still the only source for explanation of several key parts of the system. nix-shell is fantastic, but hard to learn simply because there is no specific place to learn. Nix language really needs some clear documentation so a user can understand how to get from "I don't have X" to "I have a working default.nix for X, and X installed in my environment."

GuixSD seems nice, but seems to have no method for installing non-free software, which is, unfortunately, necessary for many setups.

One thing I would like to have is a Nix/Guix wrapper for Debian packages (and possibly other packages/distros), so I could take advantage of Debian's robust ecosystem, and NixOS/GuixSD's totally functional environment.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by fnj »

mintplant wrote: post #200
grkvlt wrote: post #86

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Who? They're not even in the same ballpark. RH has 10k employees and USD 1bn in revenue with a market cap of ~15bn, these guys just seem to be a ~500 person WordPress shop.

Automattic is the WordPress shop. They develop WordPress and run WordPress.com. There aren't any recent revenue numbers available, but indirectly powering ~25% of the internet is nothing to sneeze at.

How much of the internet's destructive hacking do they "power"?

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by psankar »

SEJeff wrote: post #69
roymurdock wrote: post #9

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Canonical (Ubuntu), and SUSE as well.

Canonical isn't really profitable and much of SUSE's stuff is actually proprietary from the days of Novell.

Which SUSE Stuff is proprietary ? SUSE Linux Enterprise editions have been always open. They are built on top of the openSUSE platform.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by protomyth »

systems wrote: post #76
rayvd wrote: post #71

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In the Enterprise world, we typically don't want latest and greatest. We want stability for a long time. :)

I think this is a myth, or at best relative, not all enterprises accept old for stability Many enterprises want up to date and stable software, and since you are paying for stability, why shouldn't you get fairly recent and stable software Most companies for example don't consider MS SQL 2016 as less stable than MS SQL 2008 or 2012, most users expect the same level of stability from the latest SQL Server than from ea…

I have software that I need to run for about 5 years. It is certified on Red Hat Linux 6 not 7. I'm not unique. Heck, we had to keep copies of IE 6 running up until a year ago for one testing vendor[1]. I, like a lot of others, need stability and paperwork not new.

Frankly, having a lot of new companies adopting a mantra of "move fast, break things" makes me want to 'upgrade' less and less. I need stuff working at Monday at 1PM for the weekly test offering not some oops.

1) deep freeze or virtual machines are your friend.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #184
shanemhansen wrote: post #166

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I don't know if Mark was paid last time I saw him drop by the office, but I imagine he planned on making some money.

Was that snark really necessary? Parent had a valid question; your org could be using the OSS Ubuntu which would be free, or the enterprise version which costs money. You never really specified which, and it changes the argument drastically from a cost perspective (and therefore potentially some of the motivations behind the choice.)

But in all fairness: CentOS

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by ufo »

crizzooo wrote: post #183
ElijahLynn wrote: post #64

Something I just learned recently after I started working for Red Hat and is the tldr; of the article: "Red Hat also commits to keeping our commercial products 100% pure open source. Even when we acquire a proprietary software company, we commit to releasing all of its code as open source." I had no idea this was the case, pretty cool!

Can you elaborate on this for a Linux noob? I spent an entire weekend setting up Ubuntu, and then wss extremely jaded when I could barely get anything to work, and even getting Flash in the browser was a huge pain in the ass. So I only use my windows side partition now, and its just easier.... Still mostly do everything on my Mac anyway

> even getting Flash in the browser was a huge pain in the ass

One thing that you have to remember is that what is easy and hard in Linux is different than what is easy and hard in Windows and MacOS.

Flash is one example. Since it is not Free and Open Source Software, the Linux distributions cannot redistribute it to you without risking being sued by Adobe. So if you want Flash you will need to jump some hoops.

On the other hand, if the software you want is in your distro's package repository then the installation experience blows Windows and MacOS out of the water.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by ufo »

ElijahLynn wrote: post #49

Just started working at Red Hat about a month ago. Absolutely love working for this company! Especially that most engineers use GNU/Linux of some sort. Great to see this!

What sort of distros do the folks use there? I would have assumed everyone would be using RHEL or Fedora.

Re: What makes us Red Hat

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Post by rkv »

OT: Does anyone know how to get an open-source kernel module signed by RedHat and be included in the CentOS kernel? Do they have a form/contact for this sort of request?
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