Sorry for being Unity h8ter :/
I mean I appreciate what you all were doing, but ya, I like MATE.
Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
GNOME has been doing some really cool stuff as of late ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/top-features-in-gnome-3-2... ). Do you really think that? To me, this is just a collection of really old stuff and features that should be a matter of course. Case in point: " the headline feature" (adjusting the color temperature of your display depending on the time of day) is something that has been around for years one way…
Yeah, and redshift has been available on Linux for a long time. Now it's built in the OS. Windows 10 doesn't have that. What's your point?
Win10 doesn't have it out of the box, but third-party software that implements it (like f.lux) has been available for a very long time.
(Also, FWIW, Win10 insider builds do have it out of the box.)
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#303I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…
data convergence is the future, not interface convergence . I think they made a serious mistake conflating the two. You should be able to shift your view of a document from a desktop to a laptop, but that doesn't mean the fundamental interface from one should be shoe-horned into the other. That could mean a phone that is docked, but when you have 10x the screen real estate, a keyboard and a mouse the interface should…
Agreed. I used to bevery enthusiastic about continuum in Windows. But now, I've come to realize that the interface better be separate for different usecases - plus, no one want to plugin their phone and use it for work. What I want is seamless takeover from one device to another - something like Apple's continuity but way better. In today world this is all scattered into different components*, the first company that does everything can lock in a huge revenue stream.
a) Files - Dropbox b) Activity - Various browser sync for bookmarks, history (and passwords) c) Handoff - Mac is pretty good here. Windows has no equivalent.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#304any specific reason why desktop linux seems to be converging on gtk instead of qt ?
I think it's a combination of largely unrelated historical trends (dating to way back, when Qt was GPL-only, and even before that, when it had its own incompatible license).
That said, it's interesting that most commercial desktop software for Linux these days seems to be written in Qt, not Gtk. Also, while this is anecdotal, most new projects (as in, started recently, as opposed to old software having new releases) seem to be trending Qt in my experience. So there's a weird divergence here between the DE and the apps.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#305Ditching Unity for Gnome - good news. Dropping Ubuntu Phone - not. First Firefox OS, now Ubuntu Phone. I suppose it shouldn't be that hard to create a fully open source mobile OS, with possible "convergence" functionality (running desktop apps when device is connected to big screen)? Especially now, when all apps are going to web a. k. a. Progressive Web Apps.
It might not be that hard to create the OS. But it is pretty hard to find operators willing to preinstall it on phones, which is what you need to have any sort of marketshare for it.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#306Unfortunately, I guess Ubuntu Desktop won't last much, too. Can Canonical make money from that? Nope. They even made their product less appealing when they helped Microsoft run it inside their OS. I always thought Canonical wouldn't be around much longer, and these news seems to confirm that. I'd, as a long time Ubuntu user, miss them.
> They even made their product less appealing when they helped Microsoft run it inside their OS
Why does it make it less appealing? Ubuntu userspace running inside WSL is still Ubuntu. If you need support for it, you'd still go to them, same as if you would if you were running it in a VM or on dedicated hardware.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
For what it's worth, there's a _lot_ of diversity out there in the linux "desktop" space, and most of the alternatives to Gnome and KDE are faster and less memory hungry. This is what I've always liked about linux. The UI/UX experts at Gnome/systemd say "linux is NOT about choice", but that's why I chose linux over a decade ago, for choice. If some part sucks for me, I can replace just that part. Anyway, consider Mat…
> The UI/UX experts at Gnome/systemd say "linux is NOT about choice", but that's why I chose linux over a decade ago, for choice. If some part sucks for me, I can replace just that part. I don't recall them saying this at all. In fact, I would argue that Gnome's pursuit of a novel interface is very much about choice. It's not like they firebombed the xfce and KDE projects and ran away with the fortune. They said, "th…
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
While interfaces should not be the same across devices, being able to dock you phone and continue using its applications on normal monitor of your desktop, with keyboard and mouse would be convenient. I mean when you walk it's a phone, when you at the desk, the same device is connected to monitor, keyboard and mouse.
But then each application is essentially 2 applications in one.
It's the same application, but with 2 different interfaces. Of course, a UI toolkit that can do "write once, interact in any way" would be helpful for the implementation.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#309Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#310I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…
data convergence is the future, not interface convergence . I think they made a serious mistake conflating the two. You should be able to shift your view of a document from a desktop to a laptop, but that doesn't mean the fundamental interface from one should be shoe-horned into the other. That could mean a phone that is docked, but when you have 10x the screen real estate, a keyboard and a mouse the interface should…
I disagree - data convergence is already here if you want it. Device/UI convergence is the pinnacle of everything to me. Meaning my phone should be able to power everything from a laptop shell to a monitor. That was the exciting part, not just an interface. No one cares if context on UI changes per device implementation - we already deal with that daily.