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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by jimmies »

GraemeLion wrote: post #168
vrutkovs wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNOME has solved in a radical way by simplifying menus, so you need neither search nor frequent mouse/keyboard navigation. Honestly 'even Apple does it' is a poor argument. If global menu would be a really good and generally accepted idea we'd see it implemented in GNOME and KDE (via extensions at least).

https://vizzzion.org/blog/2016/10/plasmas-road-ahead/ Global Menu being implemented in KDE 5.9.

I don't mind the principles of it -- and I don't mind it in macOS. At least the menu is always there, the problem with unity is that it is hidden and will slowly appear when you hover the mouse on top. It's really hard to aim for what I want when I actually have to access a function on the menu.

I am using KDE on anything I can, and I have no problem with them doing things like the global menu. KDE tends to get things right to my taste.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by severino »

m45t3r wrote: post #191
severino wrote: post #187

Unfortunately, I guess Ubuntu Desktop won't last much, too. Can Canonical make money from that? Nope. They even made their product less appealing when they helped Microsoft run it inside their OS. I always thought Canonical wouldn't be around much longer, and these news seems to confirm that. I'd, as a long time Ubuntu user, miss them.

The great advantage that Ubuntu have by being the most popular Desktop distro is not making money from desktop users. The advantage is that some of those desktop users are also developers, so when they need to deploy their system in Server/Cloud/IoT/whatever, they choose Ubuntu because this is the distro that they developed their application to begin with. So yeah, desktop is a afterthought for Canonical, however it…

Yes but, can Canonical make a business out of that? They get no (significant) money either from people using their system in embedded platforms or cloud servers.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by [deleted] »

justinclift wrote: post #175
gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

MaruOS might be interesting for you: http://maruos.com https://github.com/maruos Only the Nexus 5 and 7 are fully supported at present though.

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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by majewsky »

cwyers wrote: post #145
Grue3 wrote: post #143

Growing Ubuntu for [current buzzword] rather than [last year's buzzword]. Why not just build it for server and desktop because that's what Ubuntu is best at, and not chase the latest fads?

> Why not just build it for server What do you think Cloud means?

Exactly. In this context, "cloud" is just the buzzword du jour that makes pointy-haired bosses throw money at IT infrastructure.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by petecox »

systems wrote: post #202
gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

the requirements for a good desktop interface is different from the requirements for a good phone interface and arguably different from the requirements for a good tablet interface size matters yes like you i believe one OS across all devices is a good idea, but the interface need to adapt to screen size, and provide a different and suitable experience for certain categories of screen sizes and different mode I belie…

Windows? Microsoft are pushing ahead with development of UWP and Continuum, with the creator's update due in 3 weeks - despite no new Lumias.

At least one third party is still keeping the dream alive with a crowd-funded WP10 phone announced this past week:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cerulean-moment-smartphon...

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by ploxiln »

hd4 wrote: post #125

I'm one of the people who asked for less NIH in Ubuntu in the recent thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14002821 but I didn't think they would take it this far. Jokes aside, it's sad that Unity won't be developed further. I'm one of the ones who loves Unity 7, it's always been faster and less memory hungry than GNOME or KDE for me. I will just have to cling onto the LTS for as long as possible. In the long-t…

For what it's worth, there's a _lot_ of diversity out there in the linux "desktop" space, and most of the alternatives to Gnome and KDE are faster and less memory hungry.

This is what I've always liked about linux. The UI/UX experts at Gnome/systemd say "linux is NOT about choice", but that's why I chose linux over a decade ago, for choice. If some part sucks for me, I can replace just that part.

Anyway, consider Mate, the forked continuation of Gnome 2. It's been updated to use gtk+3, it's still easy to use, and it performs well.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by pjmlp »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #220
pjmlp wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tizen is a joke, they already rebooted the SDK multiple times. 1 - GTK+ based 2 - Took Bada OS C++ SDK with its Symbian C++ like flavour 3 - Rewrote the C++ API into something more appealing 4 - Thrown everything away and replaced with EFL, plain C API with C++ will come soon 5 - Now they are adopting .NET Core with Xamarin Forms How can anyone invest time developing for them?

>"How can anyone invest time developing for them?" What alternative do you suggest? I suggested they were the best remaining option for an open-source mobile OS now that Ubuntu were dropping out of the race. What other options are there? Sailfish? Anything else?

There are no alternatives.

This ideology of open-source mobile OS goes back to Openmoko.

None of them managed to sell enough devices to keep a profitable business.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by avian »

gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

Convergence already means that GNOME on my (quite un-rotatable) desktop PC has a rotate-lock button and that I have to do an awkward slide-to-unlock gesture with a mouse to get to the login screen.

No thanks.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by majewsky »

CaptSpify wrote: post #162
senko wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a web dev/devops guy, most of my interaction with both is to set up service files. Switching was relatively easy and I found systemd servics files to be sensible and easy to write. And now I don't have to maintain separate Debian/Ubuntu variants. So from my purely practical non-sysadmin perspective - a positive change.

There's a lot of good things in systemd, and service-files are definitely one of them. But we could have a system that works like service-files without all the downsides of systemd.

Looking at the 20 years before systemd, we apparently couldn't. There were a lot of init systems that were better than sysvinit, but only systemd played the politics part of init system adoption correctly.
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