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Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by karmajunkie »

briandear wrote: post #292
mattmanser wrote: post #262

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It might not make you feel better, but Holland's gun death per 100,000 is in the 0.5's compared to the U.S.'s 10's and Mexico's 10's. You're 20 times more likely to get killed by a gun in the US or Mexico. Note that in the whole of Holland there are 50 gun homicides per year, so you were actually pretty unlucky to experience that. Your experience is exceptional and not a common occurrence, especially as I assume most…

The gun homicide rate in the US is 4.5. The US has roughly 110 guns per 100,000 people and 4.5 gun homicides per 100,000 people. Mexico has over 20 gun homicides per 100,000 people and about 18 guns per 100,000 people. Canada has 2 gun murders per 100,000 people and 31 guns per 100,000 people. Mexico: each gun is responsible for 1.11 murders US: each gun is responsible for .04 murders Canada: each gun is responsible…

The statistic to highlight in this debate is the number of gun-related deaths per gun owner, not per gun.

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Post by hwillis »

Animats wrote: post #239
hwillis wrote: post #171

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>It's very easy to make AK-like and AR-like guns. Preface: I know guns, I like guns, I am a competent machinist and I know all about lowers, gun laws, and the shovel AK. It is not easy to make guns. You need huge factories and while the cartels are theoretically capable of such things, its incomparable to US-based gun manufacture. Mexican factories can be shut down. Mexico can do nothing about guns that come from the…

A small shop in Guadalajara was making AR-15 lower receivers, using a Hardinge VMC 600 ii CNC mill.[1] This wasn't the usual operation starting from "80% lower receivers"; they were machining the whole part from plain aluminum billets. The machining job lacks a finish pass, but probably works. There are some surprisingly primitive yet successful gun factories in the third world. [1] https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us…

Yes, and they only exist because the government turns a completely blind eye. If you had a choice between all guns coming from America and all guns being made in Mexico, the government can do something about the latter but absolutely nothing about the former.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

briandear wrote: post #283
sametmax wrote: post #249

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Well, there is a huge difference between Europe and the US/Mexico: most people don't have guns. You will rarely see anybody with a weapon here. If you get attacked, it will be with fists, sometime a knife. Having the possibility that somebody pulls a gun on you is crazy to me, like something that should only happen in a movie.

Mexican gun control laws are far stricter than anything in Europe. You can get years in prison for even a single unauthorized bullet. Mexico is a case study of how gun control can lead to an increase in danger for the population. Gun control can be nice in "civilized" places, but in Mexico, even the police are on the take. Justice in Mexico consists of avoiding the "Justice System" at all costs. I lived a year in Cha…

> the cartels are among the Church's biggest benefactors

i'd like to hear more about this. this story does not receive a lot of coverage in the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

pier25 wrote: post #168
telesilla wrote: post #58

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My friends are thinkers and challengers of the system: it's for them I am more worried, that they can't speak freely. I could move to Condesa and live a protected life, but that's just colonialism (using my spending power to put a cocoon around me with Uber and private parties). That's not the México I'm interested in. I've also been mugged rather violently there anyway on Calle Amsterdam, (though no worse than Barce…

I've been living in Mexico for 8 years. I'm from Europe and married to a Mexican woman. I've lived in a couple different states (DF, Edo. Mexico, Queretaro, Veracruz, Quintana Roo). I've never once felt not safe, or seen violence. I see the news and I really wonder if I'm living in a different country.

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Post by code_duck »

driverdan wrote: post #323
diamondo25 wrote: post #256

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Living in the Netherlands, I know that people with bad intentions most likely have guns. Even in my small hometown, a citizen that owned a spy equipment store got shot up in daylight in front of his home. Other example would be people getting robbed in their house with guns (not daily, but it happens). There are plenty of other examples... I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time.

> I cannot say I feel 100% save most of the time. You can never be 100% safe. That's impossible.

You can never be 100% safe, but you can feel 100% safe since feelings are subjective.

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Post by HillaryBriss »

skellington wrote: post #205
pier25 wrote: post #168

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I've been living in Mexico for 8 years. I'm from Europe and married to a Mexican woman. I've lived in a couple different states (DF, Edo. Mexico, Queretaro, Veracruz, Quintana Roo). I've never once felt not safe, or seen violence. I see the news and I really wonder if I'm living in a different country.

You should try living in Sinaloa, Sonora, Tamaulipas, etc.. The places you listed are all the safe states, which effectively is a different country. It's not super complex, the states near the Gulf/Yucatan are generally the safe ones.

Here's a map of Mexico with intentional homicide rates (data from 2011) by state:

http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Mexic...

FWIW, Baja California Sur, though not near Gulf/Yucatan is pretty low on the list too.

Baja California and Sonora have significantly lower rates than Chihuahua, but all three border the US.

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Post by stefek99 »

orcdork wrote: post #298
branchless wrote: post #144

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Head out of canary wharf onto the isle of dogs. Or parts of peckham. Or West Ham. Christ.

Buddy, what wonderful drug are you on? Writing this from isle of dogs, which is damn awesome, and extremely safe.

Canary Wharf - noone lives there - super safe at night...

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Post by stefek99 »

telesilla wrote: post #11

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

"living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger"

How much of this terror is coming from "war on drugs"?

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Post by distances »

akurilin wrote: post #169
pdog wrote: post #133

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> It is not like a safe European city center where you can go almost anywhere alone on foot at any time of day. Which European city are you referring to? The major European cities (e.g., Paris, London, and Berlin) don't fit this description either.

Speaking of Italy, you'd be hard pressed to feel endangered in Rome, Milan, Turin etc. Naples can get a bit sketchy, but even then. Switzerland and Austria also seem pretty relaxed in my experience.

Perhaps not physically threatened, but I've been pick-pocketed both in Rome and Naples. In that regard I definitely feel much safer in, say, Berlin.

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Post by magic_beans »

purple-again wrote: post #322
douche wrote: post #191

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Eh, if you're not black and also not acting in a threatening or irrational manner, in the US, you're pretty safe. Now, if you're either of those, much less both...

More dead whites than blacks. Individuals don't care about per capita statistics when they lay dying in the street.

More dead black people by cop guns, that's for damn sure.
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