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Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by NeeT »

devwastaken wrote: post #75
jungletek wrote: post #67

Anecdotal evidence, of course, but nobody I know is using Curse, nor is it on our radar. TBF, this is probably due to a lack of interest in the group of certain games where the Curse client may already have a foothold, AND the fact that our group already has multiple established Discord instances (heavy use, most games) and a rented TeamSpeak server (for Arma 3 and the TFAR plugin for it, it does positional audio and…

For twitch communities, Curse is very much on the radar, and they can get very large. Curse has full integration of various features streamers use, such as giveaways. No longer do you need to setup a whole bunch of stuff yourself, you can interact with your community in an official capacity outside of just the stream. Discord is a cool program, and I applaud them for how far they've come, but there are gaps in functi…

I encourage you to try our VOIP features in our Windows client. We have done a lot of work for audio quality that differentiates with implementations that just embed WebRTC into there clients. We don't automaticly boost microphones because we assume most gamers have good mouth microphone and not webcams, we optimize latency with more aggressive packet loss concealment settings and a jitter buffer alorithm that prioritizes latency, and we've tuned noise reduction and echo cancellation settings to make voice activation a good experience for most users out of the box.

Hubert, Founder of Curse and now working for Twitch

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by Nullabillity »

ehsanu1 wrote: post #89
Nullabillity wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much, except it's a horrible hub since there's no indexing of the content. It makes as much sense as trying to run a company through Snapchat. It's bad enough that, even disregarding Discord's hilariously incompetent voice chat, Mumble will be a hard requirement the next time I'm looking for a new guild.

It seems like indexing was implemented: https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-indexes-billions-of-...

I meant thread separation that humans can use as an index, not useless search indexing.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by Macha »

developer2 wrote: post #84
Macha wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It _has_ replaced TS/Mumble for ffxiv, voice chat for subreddits, other game communities. WoW is bigger and has more inertia, but the network effects are strong. I can see it pulling away from pretty much everything except those groups that have spent lots of time on crazy teamspeak setups with lots of ranks, different overlapping groups and so on.

>> except those groups that have spent lots of time on crazy teamspeak setups with lots of ranks, different overlapping groups and so on Is TeamSpeak an open API? Shouldn't be difficult at all to write an import tool to import a TeamSpeak server's group structure to equivalent Discord roles.

It isn't, and Discord's group structure is less flexible. For example, any rank with the ability to assign ranks can assign any rank below it. In comparison, a teamspeak server has different groups and people can only assign people to their own groups.

Ultimately, I don't think this is as much an obstacle to long term success of Discord. These kind of servers tend to come around because running TS/Mumble servers require expertise certain groups don't have, so groups tend to colocate over some overlap in membership, and may still be colocated over inertia even if the overlap goes away.

The example I'm thinking of is a server I'm still on which is nominally owned by a battlefield clan, but also has a ffxiv guild, wildstar guild, eve corp and minecraft server chat on it. Each of these are effectively seperate entities and need to manage their own permissions, and if they were setting up fresh now, they'd all be seperate discord servers. The battlefield guys have some crazy rank structure based on time on the server or some such, the ffxiv group just has admin or not, and the minecraft group is a yes/no access perm.

The colocation is particularly not ideal as the battlefield clan and minecraft server tend to bring occasional DDoS attempts on the server, and there's not really much overlap in membership nowadays.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by thoughtpalette »

shuntress wrote: post #30
goeric wrote: post #13

Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. I know they bought Curse to try and break in, but it's just not going to be enough. Discord already has insane market-share in the community/VOIP area and there's not much even Amazon could do better that would get people to switch at this point. Really great software that consolidated people from IRC, Ventrilo, Mumb…

Slightly off topic but regarding Discord being "hard to touch" I feel like I must be missing something. My friends and I just switched from Mumble to Discord and I find Discord to be inferior in almost all regards. Discord's browser client is cool and convenient. The separate text/voice channels (as opposed to Mumble's 1 text channel per voice channel) fits our typical use case very well (people playing different gam…

One click links to join a text or voice channel is HUGE. No more copy pasting/manually typing IPs/Passwords/phonetic user names.

The barrier to entry for a user to join your discord is insanely easy. Don't have the client? They can easily join through the browser.

Great design.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by devwastaken »

Asooka wrote: post #92
devwastaken wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For twitch communities, Curse is very much on the radar, and they can get very large. Curse has full integration of various features streamers use, such as giveaways. No longer do you need to setup a whole bunch of stuff yourself, you can interact with your community in an official capacity outside of just the stream. Discord is a cool program, and I applaud them for how far they've come, but there are gaps in functi…

> When someone has to download a mod for your program to experience it better, you're doing it wrong. I disagree. Your program being moddable and letting people customise their experience is a good thing. We're not talking about core features here, just customisation that varies from person to person.

>I disagree. Your program being moddable and letting people customise their experience is a good thing.

Thing is, Discord fiercly opposses modding. If they supported it, I'd leave out that part, but multiple devs have literally formed a culture of 'all mods are bad'. https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/5vcar1/change_y...

"TL;DR: Don't use third-party addons if you don't want your account to get stolen."

This statement started a campaign of users going around saying modding software is 'compromised', and saying they have all the proof, when the reality was that someone downloaded an external plugin /for/ the addon, which you have to move into a specific directory and enable. Exactly like a program, except you can read .js source. Yet, Discord itself allows you to just send people executables and script files, no problem.

It wouldn't be as big of a problem if Discord atleast tried to cooperate and take a minute to ask what was going on. If they did, they'd realize that the author of the addon is working on a version that restricts and whitelists things that could exploit users. Perhaps if Discord used their cult of personality for good, it would be done already.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by devwastaken »

name_for_now wrote: post #88
devwastaken wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For twitch communities, Curse is very much on the radar, and they can get very large. Curse has full integration of various features streamers use, such as giveaways. No longer do you need to setup a whole bunch of stuff yourself, you can interact with your community in an official capacity outside of just the stream. Discord is a cool program, and I applaud them for how far they've come, but there are gaps in functi…

I use Discord exclusively for text and I'm also not sure why there's hype about it in terms of VOIP. Also fwiw, on desktop you can open up Developer Tools with Ctrl-Shift-I and mess with the styles.

You can mess with the styles, but its non-portable and will get removed on a reinstall or some updates. I like to be able to just make a theme and install it.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by slodden12345 »

I think this is a great idea, do they also buyback used games as well? Right now I think the best place to do that https://www.bonavendi.com/s... because it does a price comparison for you on where to sell games for the most money. But if twitch took that over as well it would be crazy, they would have the best of everything in one place! Thanks for the update
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