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Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

shuntress wrote: post #30
goeric wrote: post #13

Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. I know they bought Curse to try and break in, but it's just not going to be enough. Discord already has insane market-share in the community/VOIP area and there's not much even Amazon could do better that would get people to switch at this point. Really great software that consolidated people from IRC, Ventrilo, Mumb…

Slightly off topic but regarding Discord being "hard to touch" I feel like I must be missing something. My friends and I just switched from Mumble to Discord and I find Discord to be inferior in almost all regards. Discord's browser client is cool and convenient. The separate text/voice channels (as opposed to Mumble's 1 text channel per voice channel) fits our typical use case very well (people playing different gam…

I used to use Mumble and Discord's superiority in almost every regard is so obvious that all I can say is "you need to adjust your glasses".

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by Aeyris »

Lazare wrote: post #77
bigtunacan wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has not been my experience. Mine experience has been seeing total fragmentation around chat apps for awhile with Skype, Teamspeak, Curse and Discord. Now it seems most players I encounter have both Curse and Discord installed and will use the URL share feature that both have to share team invites for one or the other. With them generally being used for gaming and now the acquisition and integrations happening be…

My experience was that Ventrilo, Mumble, and Teamspeak had the market split between them, then Discord took it over. It's been months since I've heard of anyone using anything other than Discord, and I've never even heard of someone using Curse's client. (Disclosure: My experience focuses on the WoW and to a lesser extent Overwatch communities, mostly in the Oceanic Aus/NZ region. But in those communities, Discord is…

Coming from the ANZ Overwatch community here as well, Overwatch has pretty much completely taken over any voice communications platform that isn't just in-game voice.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by http-teapot »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #76
j_s wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is happening to Discord today: http://gizmodo.com/discord-has-a-child-porn-problem-17936822... To our knowledge, the only recourse users currently have is to disallow direct messaging https://blog.discordapp.com/discord-safety-boost-2d592ea3b14... By default, Discord allows any two people who share a server to direct message each other. Unfortunately, the baddies can use this behavior to send you stuff that you…

I wonder why hasn't been a problem with stuff like IRC. At least, I've never experienced this problem, and I've been using IRC fairly regularly since 2006. Heck, for a few years I even hung out in various *chan servers. Have I just been incredibly lucky?

Back from Quakenet era there were fewer and smaller online communities and generally internet was seen as niche whereas now it is a commodity.

Are there any gaming communities still using IRC? It might still be niche which is why it's not a problem?

Disclaimer: grew up in France during that time so can't speak for other countries

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by developer2 »

Macha wrote: post #56
Crespyl wrote: post #49

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Discord isn't about to replace TS/Mumble for your WoW raiding or large organized clans, but it spread like wildfire among my friends who play League of Legends or Dota 2, and other games with medium-small groups of players. The fact that you don't need to install or configure any client (or even have an account) to bring someone in is the biggest single thing. People come for the easy invites and stay for the (slight…

It _has_ replaced TS/Mumble for ffxiv, voice chat for subreddits, other game communities. WoW is bigger and has more inertia, but the network effects are strong. I can see it pulling away from pretty much everything except those groups that have spent lots of time on crazy teamspeak setups with lots of ranks, different overlapping groups and so on.

>> except those groups that have spent lots of time on crazy teamspeak setups with lots of ranks, different overlapping groups and so on

Is TeamSpeak an open API? Shouldn't be difficult at all to write an import tool to import a TeamSpeak server's group structure to equivalent Discord roles.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by developer2 »

devwastaken wrote: post #72
goeric wrote: post #13

Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. I know they bought Curse to try and break in, but it's just not going to be enough. Discord already has insane market-share in the community/VOIP area and there's not much even Amazon could do better that would get people to switch at this point. Really great software that consolidated people from IRC, Ventrilo, Mumb…

>Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. Time. Curse has significantly better community integrations. Discord has taken a long time to deliver on its features and lacks even the most basic (text channels per voice channel for instance). Curse already has video calls, its a significanty better replacement of Skype than Discord is. Many are migrating to Curs…

What popular streamer has recently switched to Curse? Every streamer I watch uses Discord. Each and every one of them. I haven't seen Curse used in well over a year now. Curse finally got around to updating the UI and features of their client a while back, but it was too little too late. Discord had already won.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by dvt »

shuntress wrote: post #30
goeric wrote: post #13

Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. I know they bought Curse to try and break in, but it's just not going to be enough. Discord already has insane market-share in the community/VOIP area and there's not much even Amazon could do better that would get people to switch at this point. Really great software that consolidated people from IRC, Ventrilo, Mumb…

Slightly off topic but regarding Discord being "hard to touch" I feel like I must be missing something. My friends and I just switched from Mumble to Discord and I find Discord to be inferior in almost all regards. Discord's browser client is cool and convenient. The separate text/voice channels (as opposed to Mumble's 1 text channel per voice channel) fits our typical use case very well (people playing different gam…

It's free. That's the only reason it's hot right now. Mumble/TS are superior, but cost money. Ventrilo is very expensive and Skype sucks (for gaming).

Don't get me wrong, Discord is a pretty solid product, but the only reason it has such a huge market share is because it's burning VC money and offering its services for free.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by Nullabillity »

Lazare wrote: post #78
shuntress wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off topic but regarding Discord being "hard to touch" I feel like I must be missing something. My friends and I just switched from Mumble to Discord and I find Discord to be inferior in almost all regards. Discord's browser client is cool and convenient. The separate text/voice channels (as opposed to Mumble's 1 text channel per voice channel) fits our typical use case very well (people playing different gam…

Good UI, cloud based, no servers, slick UI, integrated (good) chat, invite links, solid quality, and free. Mumble is a solid product but there's a lot more friction. First you need to host a server, and for most people that means paying for it. And then to get people to join they have to install a client, and the website can be confusing, and it's not clear which version they need to install, and it keeps prompting y…

Pretty much, except it's a horrible hub since there's no indexing of the content. It makes as much sense as trying to run a company through Snapchat.

It's bad enough that, even disregarding Discord's hilariously incompetent voice chat, Mumble will be a hard requirement the next time I'm looking for a new guild.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by name_for_now »

devwastaken wrote: post #75
jungletek wrote: post #67

Anecdotal evidence, of course, but nobody I know is using Curse, nor is it on our radar. TBF, this is probably due to a lack of interest in the group of certain games where the Curse client may already have a foothold, AND the fact that our group already has multiple established Discord instances (heavy use, most games) and a rented TeamSpeak server (for Arma 3 and the TFAR plugin for it, it does positional audio and…

For twitch communities, Curse is very much on the radar, and they can get very large. Curse has full integration of various features streamers use, such as giveaways. No longer do you need to setup a whole bunch of stuff yourself, you can interact with your community in an official capacity outside of just the stream. Discord is a cool program, and I applaud them for how far they've come, but there are gaps in functi…

I use Discord exclusively for text and I'm also not sure why there's hype about it in terms of VOIP.

Also fwiw, on desktop you can open up Developer Tools with Ctrl-Shift-I and mess with the styles.

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by ehsanu1 »

Nullabillity wrote: post #87
Lazare wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good UI, cloud based, no servers, slick UI, integrated (good) chat, invite links, solid quality, and free. Mumble is a solid product but there's a lot more friction. First you need to host a server, and for most people that means paying for it. And then to get people to join they have to install a client, and the website can be confusing, and it's not clear which version they need to install, and it keeps prompting y…

Pretty much, except it's a horrible hub since there's no indexing of the content. It makes as much sense as trying to run a company through Snapchat. It's bad enough that, even disregarding Discord's hilariously incompetent voice chat, Mumble will be a hard requirement the next time I'm looking for a new guild.

It seems like indexing was implemented: https://blog.discordapp.com/how-discord-indexes-billions-of-...

Re: Twitch to start selling video games this week

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Post by Asooka »

shuntress wrote: post #30
goeric wrote: post #13

Discord is going to be very hard to touch, even for Amazon. They should buy them as soon as possible. I know they bought Curse to try and break in, but it's just not going to be enough. Discord already has insane market-share in the community/VOIP area and there's not much even Amazon could do better that would get people to switch at this point. Really great software that consolidated people from IRC, Ventrilo, Mumb…

Slightly off topic but regarding Discord being "hard to touch" I feel like I must be missing something. My friends and I just switched from Mumble to Discord and I find Discord to be inferior in almost all regards. Discord's browser client is cool and convenient. The separate text/voice channels (as opposed to Mumble's 1 text channel per voice channel) fits our typical use case very well (people playing different gam…

Because Discord is so extremely easy to set up and get going. In the past, we either used skype, or one of us would set up a mumble server, but Skype has gone to complete shit lately (like, oh, you can't make a group call if there are more than 20 people in the room, even if most of them aren't online) and mumble requires devops-level skills to set up. Discord, in comparison, is just "download this file, click new server, done". I do feel disgust about how it's a hundred megabytes of a bundled browser with mountains of javascript, but it works so much better than anything else. And it works on Linux and Mac just as well as it does on Windows, which is more than you can say for Skype. If it ever also gets P2P file transfer, it would be the absolute undisputed best chat program in existence.
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