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Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by Touche »

cperciva wrote: post #46
jmaygarden wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 people were granted immunity in Hillary Clinton's email scandal and nothing came of it.

Did they ask for immunity, or were they offered it? Anyone who is offered immunity will take it -- there's no reason not to -- but that doesn't mean they needed it or knew anything worth testifying to. But when you hear "please, someone -- anyone -- give me immunity!" from a suspect, it rather increases the odds that they have a strong reason for wanting immunity.

Sure, and that reason might not be that they are guilty. It could be that they feel they are possibly being treated as a scape goat.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by self-diversity »

This seems closer to "Ex-Trump adviser Flynn's lawyer tries a pretty common (for his client's industry) maneuver to ensure his client won't get jail time no matter what happens"

https://twitter.com/robkelner/status/847590575352270850

I'd be quite surprised if any of the Russian connections turned out to be meaningful. Every story that I've seen about anything along the Trump/Russia axis is soaked in enough weasel words to make a defense attorney cringe, and the details are generally senseless on close examination.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by CalChris »

jerf wrote: post #41
CalChris wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True and similarly despite the Senate Finance Committee having requesting exactly what the IRS did, target, Issa never offered Republican appointed Lois Lerner immunity. Republicans never charged her with anything but passed a contempt citation to cover their asses.

I have to admit that at this point, I'd just like to see somebody, somewhere, convicted of something, in a way that carries some sort of real consequences (i.e., no "yep, they're guilty, and the penalty is to retire from the public eye with all their ill-gotten gains and enjoying them until the day they die, except maybe if they take a break to write a book about their experiences for a couple million dollars" crap).…

In the case of the IRS Targeting scandals, ATF or Benghazi or any of the other fake scandals, no one was ever charged with anything. All of investigations were just political witch hunts for campaign purposes.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by Touche »

jerf wrote: post #41
CalChris wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True and similarly despite the Senate Finance Committee having requesting exactly what the IRS did, target, Issa never offered Republican appointed Lois Lerner immunity. Republicans never charged her with anything but passed a contempt citation to cover their asses.

I have to admit that at this point, I'd just like to see somebody, somewhere, convicted of something, in a way that carries some sort of real consequences (i.e., no "yep, they're guilty, and the penalty is to retire from the public eye with all their ill-gotten gains and enjoying them until the day they die, except maybe if they take a break to write a book about their experiences for a couple million dollars" crap).…

Same deal as white collared crime, the criminals don't pay in any serious way.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by charles-salvia »

mirimir wrote: post #23
jMyles wrote: post #2

Listen, I know it's a big deal when the POTUS lies. But aren't we used to it by now? If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible), it will be highly unusual for the recent history of his office. Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactly are we investigating? Whether Russia was involved in "fake news" stories? Whether Russia…

There's the possibility that the entire basis of the Republican resurgence -- with its roots in the alt-right, conspiracy theories, the Tea Party, gold bugs, etc -- has been a Russian operation with the goal of destabilizing the US. Consider the role of RT, for example. And it's not like it hasn't happened before. Russia played a major role in shaping the anti-war movement in the 60s.

No power on Earth is that competent. And the Tea Party was very clearly a reaction to Obama getting elected, and egged on by the Republican establishment.

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Post by mirimir »

pessimizer wrote: post #59
mirimir wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia's goal is fragmenting the US. Just as the US did to the Soviet Union. Turnabout is fair play, no?

The confidence with which you express the goals that you're projecting on Russia here is scary. Not only do we have yet to find evidence that Russia did anything involving the election (although we certainly could during these investigations), you seem to have sussed out their goal in doing that which has not been proven, and a motive of revenge. It's weird. Hearing people talk like this is weird, and reminds me of t…

I've been following this stuff for decades.

Have you read Igor Panarin's work? He and Putin are both "ex"-KGB.

But hey, it's just a hypothesis. Let's see what evidence comes out.

Edit: http://perezhilton.com/2016-12-29-russia-donald-trump-electi...

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by bbatha »

hackuser wrote: post #51
CalChris wrote: post #35

“When you are given immunity, that means you have probably committed a crime.” — Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, in an interview with NBC News on September 25, 2016. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/25/gen_flynn_...

It's a nice gotcha, but Flynn isn't an attorney and is known for saying many crazy things even in his field of expertise.

He hasn't been offered immunity yet, he's the one asking guilt. By the logic of his own quote he only want it if he was guilty.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by dr_ick »

mozumder wrote: post #40
jMyles wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read a lot about this story; I'm not sure what I'm missing. If I'm a web search away, care to give me a LMGTFY?

Basically we're looking at Trump being connected to Russian mafia for all his financing as well as Putin bribing him with 19% stake in the Russian state oil company for removing sanctions, as well as assisting with his campaign by hacking into the Podesta emails, sorta like how there were Watergate DNC office burglars. Did you want all this in writing from Trump and notarized that he did this? Because that's not how…

I thought we're looking at Hillary being connected to Saudi Arabia for her financing as well as giving Russia 20% of U.S. uranium in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation, as well as Podesta ties to a Russian entity called Rusnano, and how Obama used a slush fund to move money to leftist hate groups.

Did you want all this in writing from Hillary and notarized that she did this? Because that's not how it works. Her job is to say she didn't do this.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by camperman »

i2amsam wrote: post #47
camperman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Trump somehow manages not to be a criminal and a crook (which seems downright impossible) The vast surveillance apparatus of the deep state have crawled everything they have on Donald Trump and all they could come up with was some locker room banter from 11 years ago. The man is straight as an arrow and has been for decades. > Now: other than bluster, what is there actually about this "Russia" probe? What exactl…

I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument. The issue under investigation is if there was collusion between members of Trump's campaign and foreign operatives to, e.g. time releases or coordinate messaging, not attack the voting apparatus. The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will…

> I expect you're receiving downvotes (not from me) because you're introducing a strawman argument.

I didn't introduce it - the parent did. I'm being downvoted because this is a left-leaning board. Shrug.

> The fact that the national security advisor lied to the VP about discussions with Russia (for which he was fired) and now will only testify under oath with immunity suggest that there indeed may be something worth investigating there.

He resigned but yes, he should be investigated.

Re: Ex-Trump adviser Flynn seeks immunity for testimony in Russia probe: WSJ

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Post by generic_user »

Mendenhall wrote: post #44

I will wait to find out more information. Seems him seeking "immunity" isnt what happened in a legal sense from what I have read.

Your being down voted because voices of moderation and reason can often cause a disruption in the field surrounding the tinfoil hat and there for let in Russian mind control signals.
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