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New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

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Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

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Yet they are slated to raise the prices again next year. It's already $2.75 for a regular swipe. FeelsBadMan.

As someone who recently moved to NYC from the SF Bay Area, it's a pleasure to swipe for a ride, even at $3.

That's a static fee to go anywhere. In the Bay Area, your BART ticket fee is dependent on where you want to go--at it's most extreme, can be up to $20/ride.

$2.75-$3 to get anywhere in NYC is an absolute bargain.

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#32

I think MTA should also consider putting a barrier on the edge of the platform. So that we won't get dozens of people being pushed off to the rails.

6 people died from being struck by trains in a year (I think that was 2015 they pushed in their advertisements). There were about 1.76 billion rides in the same period. As much as it's a feel-good measure, there is no conceivable way to justify the incredible expense of platform doors for such a small number of instances. And the dirty secret is most of those are suicides. If they can't kill themselves on a train, th…

> If they can't kill themselves on a train, they'll just go to the nearest bridge.

This is a quibble in this context, but it's an important issue in others (such as access to guns):

Suicide is an impulsive act. The less "convenient" it is to kill oneself, the fewer suicides there are. A extra few minutes to reconsider can often be lifesaving.

This is well-researched (and still fun) podcast where I learned about this: https://gimletmedia.com/episode/guns/

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this maybe? http://philly.curbed.com/archives/2014/10/23/korean-company-...

I think it's crazy that the MTA hasn't already done this. Not only would it save a lot of lives, but it would also allow the platform to be climate controlled. You have no idea how many times I've sat there underground for 30+ minutes in sub-freezing or 100+ degree heat.

Crazy is too strong a word because the costs involved would be astronomical / extraordinary / insane.

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#35

I think MTA should also consider putting a barrier on the edge of the platform. So that we won't get dozens of people being pushed off to the rails.

They look into it every few years but so far the costs to do so have been astronomical so it doesn't go past studies.

I don't have a good reference at the moment but from what I understand, most of it comes down to it being much harder to retrofit that kind of thing on to a 100+-year-old system than it is to build it into a new system. More specifically, since nothing was built with that in mind there are all kinds of challenges that would be very expensive to address like not all platforms are level or straight (imagine the cost and disruption involved in expanding and rebuilding the 4/5/6 platform and tunnels at Union Station to make them straight) and not all trains have doors that align in the same places (different generations of trains in service at the same time, different designs of trains on different lines, etc).

None of this means it can't or shouldn't be addressed eventually, but like many things in life there are reasons things aren't "just done" and it's important to understand those reasons if you want to make change happen.

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> only 92 of the system’s 425 stations accessible > On average, 25 elevators a day stop working Do 27% of elevators really break down on a _daily_ basis? That is abysmal if accurate.

If it's anything like older elevators anywhere else, there's probably a lack of proper parts for repairs and lack of interest in spending money to replace the old elevator with a modern one, not to mention the difficulty in finding people who are able to actually work on the old equipment.

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#37

Yet they are slated to raise the prices again next year. It's already $2.75 for a regular swipe. FeelsBadMan.

MTA runs on a deficit so yeah like any business they need to raise prices. Sadly :(

No, there are many solutions to the deficit. Raising fares, more advertising revenue, more funding from tax revenue, lower level of services, etc.

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#38

Yet they are slated to raise the prices again next year. It's already $2.75 for a regular swipe. FeelsBadMan.

The new rates took effect on March 19, actually. The single-ride fare remains $2.75, but the monthly and weekly fares increased, while MetroCard fare bonuses were decreased.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/nyregion/mta-subway-bus-t...

Re: New York Has a Great Subway, If You’re Not in a Wheelchair

#39
I highly suspect it is plain cheaper (and more convenient) to just subsidize private car rides for disabled people than making entire transit infrastructure in huge city to account for them.

Better yet, take the money that government would otherwise spend on building all the wheelchair accomodations, and just distribute that between wheelchair users. I am sure many of them would prefer that over subway improvements which they might never use.

"Disabled people cannot reach their [work, school, childcare, w/e]", if true, is a valid problem. There are multiple ways to solve that problem. "NYC subway does not have wheelchair accomodations" is a useless outrage over circumstantial symptoms.

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