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Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant

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Re: Audi's unions demand electric model for main German plant

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Is it me or unions on Germany are a species of their own kind? I mean I'm expected the union to do strikes to raise salaries, protect laziness and unproductive workers, counter automation and firing of current workers... Edit: I'm not sure why I'm getting down-voted over this.

German unions are entirely different because in German companies 50% of the board are elected by employees (and the other 50% by the investors). This obviously changes power dynamics quite a bit.

Woah, that's incredible

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As a former Audi owner, I wonder if the "audi service position" will be applicable to their electric cars. Tangental I know, but I would be curious to know if they will make their cars easier/cheaper to service. I never really had much trouble with my A4, but maintenance costs upwards of 1k per 6 months(I was driving a lot of miles at the time) turned me off to the ownership experience.

Electric cars are far from perfect, but the simple fact that they have less moving parts than an ICE vehicle. No fanbelts to stretch, no flywheels to break, no fuel injection pump, etc, etc. Other than normal wear and tear, there should be massively less maintenance required for electric vehicles.

I mean, yes that's probably true for mass market vehicles, but not true for luxury cars. Look at Teslas. Yes, the drivetrain is vastly simplified, but I can't imagine things like those gull wing doors, power door handles, air suspension, etc. will be inexpensive to maintain.

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Is it me or unions on Germany are a species of their own kind? I mean I'm expected the union to do strikes to raise salaries, protect laziness and unproductive workers, counter automation and firing of current workers... Edit: I'm not sure why I'm getting down-voted over this.

The German model of trades unionism is built on co-operation between union and management; the history runs deep. One consequence is that workers are screwed over less. Another consequence is that industrial action is rarely necessary.

Perhaps rarely "necessary", but happens quite a lot recently.

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-mark-record-year-for-strikes...

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Many people and organizations with a lot of power have spent a lot of time and money giving you that impression. Unions have done a great deal of good worldwide, but no 'it's Henry Ford that's responsible for the 40 hour week' etc. PS: Remember, the best way to keep power long term is to convince everyone else to hand it to you.

40 hour work week? Unions Weekend off? Unions 9-5? Unions Retirement Savings? Unions Pension Program? Unions Health Benefits? Unions Vacation Time? Unions Sick Time? Unions Lunch break? Unions Work place safety regulations? Unions Boss threaten to fire you if you don't let him screw your wife? Unions

Even in Canada where citizens are prideful about socialized health insurance, we owe a debt of gratitude to Trade Unions who, alongside social workers, farm groups, and labour federations, advocated on behalf of working Canadians for socialized health insurance, arguing private health insurance was significantly more limited than what the insurance industry boasted.

And who opposed to the socialized health insurance movement? Nearly every medical association (doctors, dentists), the entire insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, and even premiers of provinces.

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It's not clear whether the workers are afraid they will find themselves in the age of EVs without the necessary skill set, or whether they are afraid that as Audi makes the switch to EVs they will open plants outside of Germany. There was already a lot of hype about German auto makers opening plants in China.

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I have a 2017 Audi Etron PHEV. For our single car household it's nearly the perfect car. Given how refined it seems I'm surprised that Audi/VW took so long to bring a PHEV to market.

The dealer told me that they are pushing EVs now to help remake the company's image after the diesel cheating debacle.

The unions probably see this repositioning and reasonably want to secure their members foothold in it.

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>it's Henry Ford that's responsible for the 40 hour week etc. Your comment is pretty hard to parse, but that's not a thing that I've ever hard anybody say. >PS: Remember, the best way to keep power long term is to convince everyone else to hand it to you. Your phrasing makes me think that you're trying to be sarcastic, but that's exactly how every long term transition of power has ever worked. If people are not convi…

> that's not a thing that I've ever hard anybody say. Google search "40 hour work week Henry Ford" and it auto suggests "henry ford started 40 hour work week" "henry ford invented the 40 hour work week" Which takes you to "Does the 8-hour day and the 40-hour week come from Henry Ford, or labor unions?" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/... "In 1914, at a time when most workers still lacked a…

Yikes, well I hope that my never having encountered that misinformation means that the viral gif did not spread too far.

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It's not clear whether the workers are afraid they will find themselves in the age of EVs without the necessary skill set, or whether they are afraid that as Audi makes the switch to EVs they will open plants outside of Germany. There was already a lot of hype about German auto makers opening plants in China.

Audi has plants in Hungary, Belgium, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Russia, Slovakia and Spain. They also own Lamborghini of Italia. The German plants are in Neckarsulm and Ingolstadt.

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Is it me or unions on Germany are a species of their own kind? I mean I'm expected the union to do strikes to raise salaries, protect laziness and unproductive workers, counter automation and firing of current workers... Edit: I'm not sure why I'm getting down-voted over this.

There's a mindset in much of europe that labor and capital are partners in determining a company's or even industry's future. In fact, the unions often sit down to negotiate with the government and industry leaders as equals to set industry policies.

This collaboration is a very good thing. All participants in the economy should have a stake. It kind of scares me that although Trump got elected by a lot of workers in his administration only business people get heard. They will shape policy for themselves but I don't think workers will get any benefit.
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