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A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by radlad »

padseeker wrote: post #29

I hate when people call it Climate Change. Thats a phrase right wing think tanks cooked up to soften the blow of the sound of Global Warming. No amount of evidence is going to convince Global Warming deniers. But those who deny but also suffer from the effects will be the first ones with their hands out asking the government for money to save to bail them out. I'm glad the WashPo is writing these kinds of articles, b…

It's a little more complicated than that: https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.h...

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by jamessb »

wflynny wrote: post #28
jessriedel wrote: post #14

I know nothing about this topic, but I can caution to point out that Scientific Reports is the lowest rung of the Nature journal heirarchy. When I published there, I was very unimpressed with the quality of the refereeing and editing. Certainly doesn't mean the work is wrong, but laymen shouldn't interpret this as having the same sort of seal of approval as a normal Nature article. In my field (physics), Scientific R…

Having reviewed several papers for Scientific Reports in the past year, it was very similar to my experience reviewing for PLoS One. You are mandated not to factor in the significance of the work and only to critique the methodology and conclusions [1]. My experience reading articles there ranges from complete junk to papers that probably just missed the mark of getting into Nature proper. Articles should make it mor…

It is particular confusing that articles in Scientific Reports have URLs of the form " rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/articles/srep

This means that on the HN (or Reddit) front-page they are listed simply as "(nature.com)", so it isn't immediately obvious which journal they're in.

I'm not sure whether this is what you meant by confusion propogating, so thought I would explicitly state this.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by rybosome »

blueprint wrote: post #26

There are hundreds of big changes like this, and likely many, many more. They must be considered together rather than independently before we can understand the true severity of this crisis.

Don't worry, those of us alive in a few decade will be considering all of these things together firsthand.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by throwaway5752 »

d--b wrote: post #25
throwaway5752 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll admit you have no clue? It seems like there are some competing groups in climate science, but so far the trend of the warming, regional precipitation, jet stream changes, ocean ph changes, methane in warming tundra, the pattern of polar ice melt all seem to have been pretty well predicted years or decades ago by the most mainstream groups (that financially motivated groups have worked hard to undercut and delegi…

Ok I agree, that was clearly an overstatement. I guess I am annoyed by news outlets commenting on scientific studies that are sensational.

Yeah, I think there is a pronounce deficiency on accurate and appropriate communication on this topic on the part of media. The general pattern of "funded a group producing scientific-enough sounding disputing theories + some astroturf groups to loudly complain about media bias for not covering it" has devastatingly effective in my lifetime. A sad artifact of hiring for looks/presentation over intellect in many news outlets.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by pixl97 »

maxerickson wrote: post #20
mabbo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> urban landscape and population density. Interestingly, flooding is made worse by low density housing, like suburbs. Forests, meadows, wetlands, they all act like sponges. They soak up recent rainfall and release it slowly, or just keep it. Cut that down, replace it with suburbia- concrete roads, short-grass lawns, nothing that holds much water for long but instead does it's best to get it into a drain and then a ri…

Grass is generally treated as a permeable surface.

Grass, as in lawns are a little bit different than wild fields. Most people design good drainage into their lawns so water doesn't pool and flows off quickly. Drainage is key to permeability, the longer water stays on soil, the more time it has to absorb into the soil. If it flows of quickly it will never reach full saturation.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by brudgers »

wflynny wrote: post #28
jessriedel wrote: post #14

I know nothing about this topic, but I can caution to point out that Scientific Reports is the lowest rung of the Nature journal heirarchy. When I published there, I was very unimpressed with the quality of the refereeing and editing. Certainly doesn't mean the work is wrong, but laymen shouldn't interpret this as having the same sort of seal of approval as a normal Nature article. In my field (physics), Scientific R…

Having reviewed several papers for Scientific Reports in the past year, it was very similar to my experience reviewing for PLoS One. You are mandated not to factor in the significance of the work and only to critique the methodology and conclusions [1]. My experience reading articles there ranges from complete junk to papers that probably just missed the mark of getting into Nature proper. Articles should make it mor…

Here, it is hard to see how the potential significance of the work would be in question if the methodology and conclusions are reasonably sound as publication implies based on your comment.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by specialist »

maxerickson wrote: post #20
mabbo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> urban landscape and population density. Interestingly, flooding is made worse by low density housing, like suburbs. Forests, meadows, wetlands, they all act like sponges. They soak up recent rainfall and release it slowly, or just keep it. Cut that down, replace it with suburbia- concrete roads, short-grass lawns, nothing that holds much water for long but instead does it's best to get it into a drain and then a ri…

Grass is generally treated as a permeable surface.

Legally (land use code), but not in practice.

Oh, maybe your mean "grasslands" and I'm talking about lawns.

The conservationist I worked for refer to lawns as urban deserts.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by dhimes »

baldeagle wrote: post #2

TLDR: Global warming causes a weakened jet stream, which results in less movement of weather patterns. Less movement makes a normal event 'extreme' by turn rains into floods and droughts. Still highly contested. Personally, I think it might just be confirmation bias, as the definition of 'flood' changes a lot due to urban landscape and population density.

It makes me think of the red spot on Jupiter. I remember a few years back a hurricane parked itself off of the Eastern US coast and stayed there for a couple of days. It was really weird, but it made me wonder then if there was some sort of stable solution to the equations of meteorology.

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by maxerickson »

specialist wrote: post #37
maxerickson wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grass is generally treated as a permeable surface.

Legally (land use code), but not in practice. Oh, maybe your mean "grasslands" and I'm talking about lawns. The conservationist I worked for refer to lawns as urban deserts.

The conservationist I worked for refer to lawns as urban deserts.

Because of the water retention characteristics? Or for more reasons than that?

Re: A troubling idea about climate change found new evidence in its favor

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Post by leecarraher »

leecarraher wrote: post #17

get me jake gyllenhaal and one of the quaid brothers... scratch that, the good quaid brother.

this article pretty closely expounds the setup to the movie , day after tomorrow starring dennis quaid and jake gyllenhaal
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