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"regardless of context" does not even exist. Your comment featured it and I don't think it's an inappropriate comment you made here.
"Death to all jews" -crooked-v 3/27/17
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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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Uh, safe for the minority perhaps, but not safe for anyone who would dare to express any contradicting views. Imagine if someone said they thought their was no such thing as being gay, or said that they didn't think being trans was a real thing. Do you think the "safe zone" would be "safe" for them? At least in my perspective it's a very one-sided, anti-freedom of expression movement. It seems ignorant of me for so m…
It's not supposed to be safe for other people. To pick a hopefully neutral example, should it be "safe" for you to go to a chess club meeting and diss everybody there because you think Go is superior? They'll ask you to leave, and rightfully so. It's a good thing to have these small "bubbles" for all sorts of minorities in which they get to define the rules. Where it gets more interesting is when it affects the broad…
There has literally been attempts at passing legislation to force people to use gender pronouns other than he or she.
Your framing of this issue as simply being about LGBT wanting to be able to meet together without harassment is disingenuous.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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When "mere disagreement" is something like "I don't think you should have the same rights as me because your sexuality/gender/class/religion is different" then, uh, yes. E.g., depriving LGBTQ people marriage because of your "religious" beliefs is not a political view. This can be hard to understand if you come from a position where you've never had to deal with any issues like that. But for people in those groups, it…
> When "mere disagreement" is something like "I don't think you should have the same rights as me because your sexuality/gender/class/religion is different" then, uh, yes. Part of maturing is learning how to stand for one's ideas and beliefs, as well as learning how to deal with (bigoted) opposition to those. Isolating yourself, locking yourself in the echo chamber will make you unprepared for dialogue with those out…
If you disagree with 90% of his policies, but you vote for him anyway because of his LGBT activism, you're no better than racists could also disagree with 90% of a white man's policies, but still vote for them because their opponent was black.
I know you'll argue against that point, but I mention it not for you, but to put what you said into context for other readers.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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> It's reached a point it feels he's holding back something funny to please WSJ - a huge, huge tragedy and loss to his freedom and originality. On the contrary. Its completely acceptable for PDP to say whatever he hell he wants. The problem is that he wants to be paid by Disney while doing it. The USA has freedom of speech. PDP is legally allowed to say whatever he wants. Unfortunately, PDP's revenue stream is (or pe…
What's interesting is ignoring his audience that identifies his sense of humor and understands the context of 'Death to all Jews'. He wants what most people want, to make a living and Disney withdrawing as sponsor will likely not hurt. A bigger issue is WSJ and co efforts to have his ads pulled altogether.
Oh noes! Newspapers are talking about him!
You know the WSJ has absolutely no power over advertisers, aside from the SAME freedom of speech powers that PDP has.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me. I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons. His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth…
Pewdiepie made his money off really really really young audience.. those of you old enough to make up your own judgement/mind and talk about it weren't the ones Disney really cared about.. It's the fact that MILLIONS of young viewers - aged 6+ (probably mostly 8 to 11 years old) watched something that tried to normalize something most kids in that age group shouldn't normalize... If people feel he was "holding back h…
His content has always been on the "R rating" side and is not intended for children. If showing some people holding up a silly side is the first thing that offended your sensibilities, you haven't been paying attention.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's interesting is ignoring his audience that identifies his sense of humor and understands the context of 'Death to all Jews'. He wants what most people want, to make a living and Disney withdrawing as sponsor will likely not hurt. A bigger issue is WSJ and co efforts to have his ads pulled altogether.
Oh noes! Newspapers are talking about him! You know the WSJ has absolutely no power over advertisers, aside from the SAME freedom of speech powers that PDP has.
WSJ definitely has the power to ruin your reputation overnight, even if you don't deserve it. You could not do the same to them.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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> JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care. I'm sure many of his casual viewers won't care (or even know), but spaces like his subreddit have a lot of people condemning him and saying they're done with his channel. That's the sort of thing that can eventually eat away at content quality by breaking your relationship with bigger fans - think of how Many A True Nerd d…
>subreddit have a lot of people condemning him and saying they're done with his channel Yet he broke 50k subscribers on March 16 and he's at 51,798 as I write this comment. It's almost like you can say anything you want on Reddit.
Again, "many of his casual viewers won't care". Several people elsewhere in this thread have observed that his subscriber count did dip, but normal growth has brought him back above that level already.
My point was a very specific one, which is that a lot of longtime viewers who heavily engaged with his content (e.g. posted at length on the subreddit) seem to have walked away from engaging or perhaps subscribing at all. I think that's damaging even if his viewer count doesn't tank, which is why I gave a specific example of how it could hurt a channel.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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Howard Stern is a terrible example: his advertisers knew exactly what they were getting. PDP, unless he's stupid, should have known what DISNEY wanted. And it's not anti-semitic jokes, particularly following repeated use of Nazi iconography in his videos.
PDP was popular before Disney became involved, if Howard Stern's advertisers knew what they were getting then Disney should have known as well. You provide Stern an excuse but then deny the same excuse to PDP.
Notably Stern's employers and advertisers seemingly didn't know what they were getting, as judged by their decision to drop him for racist comments. Maybe they should have known, maybe they knew but figured they could profit and then drop him when he screwed up, but they did hire him after his success and drop him later.
You're right that it exactly mirrors PDP's situation: off-the-cuff, inflammatory content creator partners with advertisers, does something extra-inflammatory, gets dropped by same.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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>subreddit have a lot of people condemning him and saying they're done with his channel Yet he broke 50k subscribers on March 16 and he's at 51,798 as I write this comment. It's almost like you can say anything you want on Reddit.
Again, "many of his casual viewers won't care". Several people elsewhere in this thread have observed that his subscriber count did dip, but normal growth has brought him back above that level already. My point was a very specific one, which is that a lot of longtime viewers who heavily engaged with his content (e.g. posted at length on the subreddit) seem to have walked away from engaging or perhaps subscribing at a…
>My point was a very specific one, which is that a lot of longtime viewers who heavily engaged with his content (e.g. posted at length on the subreddit) seem to have walked away from engaging or perhaps subscribing at all.
On the contrary - a large number of them had little or no history on the subreddit and it reeked of a bizarre form of astroturfing with plenty of new accounts repeating very similar messages. To what end? No idea. He's popular enough that it is totally possible he had a number of subscribers that felt the need to join Reddit and speak out. But any long term fan would know Jon's opinions on such things. So if anything, they weren't the most engaging of fans and "no harm done".
Mostly smelled of rotten fish to me.
Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber
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It's not supposed to be safe for other people. To pick a hopefully neutral example, should it be "safe" for you to go to a chess club meeting and diss everybody there because you think Go is superior? They'll ask you to leave, and rightfully so. It's a good thing to have these small "bubbles" for all sorts of minorities in which they get to define the rules. Where it gets more interesting is when it affects the broad…
There has literally been attempts at passing legislation to force people to use gender pronouns other than he or she. Your framing of this issue as simply being about LGBT wanting to be able to meet together without harassment is disingenuous.
Unsuccessful attempts, maybe, although I doubt it. These kinds of stories tend to be greatly exaggerated, so: citation needed.[0] Meanwhile, there have been actual laws (not attempts!) that criminalized deviation from the heterosexual norm not so long ago -- or even today in not-so-nice countries.
The point is: Yes, the public sphere is also changing, but it's changing slowly, and the participants of the discussion who see a danger to freedom of speech are >95% hysterically exaggerating.
Meanwhile, it's good to keep in mind that there are [0] When you dig down, what you usually find is some minor committee discussing whether they should change the language used in their own bylaws and/or publications. I.e. it's not legislation, nobody is being forced to do anything, and most of these initiatives don't even pass in the first place.