Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

polygon.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

271–280 of 317 posts

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#271

Post by sqeaky »

sangnoir wrote: post #263
sqeaky wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't downvote you, nor am I a fan. I only saw parts of the episode when a friend watched it, so I did not see it in it's entirety. Is what you listed a complete listing of things he attempted to get through? Or just your selection of what he tried that was prejudice? It seems likely he also would have tried to get some other dumb things through on the level of dick jokes.

Do we really need the complete list of things he said before we can judge the wisdom (or lack thereof) of the headline-grabbing ones? "Is what you listed the complete list of ingredients to this homeopathic medicine? Or just your selection of the poisonous ones? It seems likely they would have put in some other healthy things on the level of ginseng"

If you don't provide sufficient context, in any argument, then that is just cherry picking.

In this case, if the list contains mild things and racism, then its probably just that PewDiePie is racist. If the list contains nothing socially acceptable and some of it happens to racist well then clearly the whole thing was for shock value, and the racism was probably just a way to push your buttons.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#272

Post by jrkatz »

jimmyk wrote: post #266
jrkatz wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've already made it quite clear that I think not all the minds in question are reasonable, but you keep asking this question, like you really want to get something in it out there. Since it's not likely, then, that you are engaging in good faith, I have to go digging for the bad faith and it is not far beneath the surface. In the end these discussions come down a fundamental moral question, outside all reasoning and…

not evidence that anti-racism is irrational I haven't argued that it is evidence of such. I've argued that your particular chosen method of combating racism is irrational under a few specific conditions: A) your position is reasonable and B) the bulk of the people around you are reasonable and just. It seems like you don't believe B is the case ("I've already made it quite clear that I think not all the minds in ques…

You know what, dog, you caught the car. I'll never be mad about racists again, or else the racists win.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#273

Post by undersuit »

Bartweiss wrote: post #93
Raknarg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care. Personally I don't really, mostly because his personal views never come into play on his actual show. This kind of thing always happens when you get someone involved in comedy to participate in a serious discussion, you start realizing they have opinions and views that you may not like.

> JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care. I'm sure many of his casual viewers won't care (or even know), but spaces like his subreddit have a lot of people condemning him and saying they're done with his channel. That's the sort of thing that can eventually eat away at content quality by breaking your relationship with bigger fans - think of how Many A True Nerd d…

>subreddit have a lot of people condemning him and saying they're done with his channel

Yet he broke 50k subscribers on March 16 and he's at 51,798 as I write this comment. It's almost like you can say anything you want on Reddit.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#274

Post by talmand »

bdavisx wrote: post #259
CommanderData wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me. I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons. His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth…

While using the "anti-semitism" label is overused today (I once heard Rush Limbaugh say a Jewish person was an anti-semite), calling someone an anti-semite who had someone hold up a sign that says "Death to all Jews" is not exactly a stretch. When he was making fun of those other cultures, did he say "Death to all _______ (other culture)"?

Holding up a sign that says "Death to all X" is not definitive proof of hatred of X. If so, comedians/satirists are the most hateful group of people to have ever existed.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#275

Post by talmand »

fixermark wrote: post #230
raesene6 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I wasn't suggesting that what he said wasn't meant to be provocative, the main instance they picked up was ill considered and in bad taste, but then if you watch any of his other videos this really shouldn't be a surprise. The hit job was some of the other items they'd cut together to make the "anti-semetic" charge stick. One item where he was comparing youtube policies to those of the Nazi's (i.e. casting both in…

A recurring pattern I've seen with online celebrities is that when they get popular enough for more mainstream media to notice them, they're suddenly held to the standards of mainstream sensibilities and judged in a mainstream light that can be very incompatible with their brand. And their fans then defend them with "If you've seen their other stuff, you'd know that isn't unusual," which is a pretty thin defense---a…

I fail to see how that's even close to a proper comparison.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#276

Post by talmand »

x0x0 wrote: post #244
fixermark wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Howard Stern is an excellent example, particularly because you won't find him on most heavily-regulated media.

Howard Stern is a terrible example: his advertisers knew exactly what they were getting. PDP, unless he's stupid, should have known what DISNEY wanted. And it's not anti-semitic jokes, particularly following repeated use of Nazi iconography in his videos.

PDP was popular before Disney became involved, if Howard Stern's advertisers knew what they were getting then Disney should have known as well. You provide Stern an excuse but then deny the same excuse to PDP.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#277

Post by talmand »

nhaehnle wrote: post #227
laughfactory wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, safe for the minority perhaps, but not safe for anyone who would dare to express any contradicting views. Imagine if someone said they thought their was no such thing as being gay, or said that they didn't think being trans was a real thing. Do you think the "safe zone" would be "safe" for them? At least in my perspective it's a very one-sided, anti-freedom of expression movement. It seems ignorant of me for so m…

It's not supposed to be safe for other people. To pick a hopefully neutral example, should it be "safe" for you to go to a chess club meeting and diss everybody there because you think Go is superior? They'll ask you to leave, and rightfully so. It's a good thing to have these small "bubbles" for all sorts of minorities in which they get to define the rules. Where it gets more interesting is when it affects the broad…

That's all well and good until the entire university is the safe space.

Also, that entire last paragraph requires a great of assumption and stereotyping on your part.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#278

Post by remarkEon »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Well, I certainly watch a lot of Scott Manley videos. I'm...probably not alone in that regard here.

https://www.youtube.com/user/szyzyg

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#279

Post by jimmyk »

jrkatz wrote: post #272
jimmyk wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not evidence that anti-racism is irrational I haven't argued that it is evidence of such. I've argued that your particular chosen method of combating racism is irrational under a few specific conditions: A) your position is reasonable and B) the bulk of the people around you are reasonable and just. It seems like you don't believe B is the case ("I've already made it quite clear that I think not all the minds in ques…

You know what, dog, you caught the car. I'll never be mad about racists again, or else the racists win.

dog

That's racist.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#280

Post by jaredandrews »

theOnliest wrote: post #238
jaredandrews wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot recommend Matthias' channel enough! He is absolutely amazing. I love the organic points in his videos where he messes something up and then fixes it and concludes "good enough". A true demonstration of the hacker mindset! I believe he was a computer programmer full time before his YT channel and website took off. Watching him work makes me want to become a woodworker. Maybe someday I'll have the appropriate…

I've recently started watching woodworking videos on YouTube. I read somewhere that Matthias was one of the early employees of RIM (Blackberry) and as it turns out, he has a bunch of those patents in his name: https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=pts&hl=en&q=ininvent... .

Very cool! I had never figured out where he worked.
Post reply on HN