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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by KirinDave »

6stringmerc wrote: post #167
KirinDave wrote: post #92

Okay, so... occasionally it comes up that I experimented with being a gaming youtuber as a way to escape some of the difficulties I was having with the SV ecosystem. I worked hard, I connected with other famous Youtubers, and bam, I was profitable (sorta) and producing content. Everything in this article about a capricious Youtube is true. Everything in this article about the underappreciated difficulty of producing…

You're so right that the modern price of fame / celebrity attention is such a minefield. There used to be misguided or mentally unstable folks who would stalk or take things too far, but I think the amount of power modern tech / networks can be deployed for purposes of, well, being mean online has more real world affects than at first. What I'm saying is that far too frequently by the time a young person who craves f…

It'd be an outright lie for me to say that some folks don't try and prove themselves by coming into conflict with a specific person more famous than them.

But I also think it's a somewhat inevitable outcome that as you become a focal point for attention you'd better be ready for said scrutiny and for you to be interpreted within the dialogues other people are having. Asking people to do otherwise is absurd, they cannot.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by jimmyk »

watwut wrote: post #191
jimmyk wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you worried that your children will be threatened for their heritage in a world where children can be exposed to a diversity of opinion, including those you don't approve of? Do you think you'll lose the war of ideas to "bullshit"?

If that exposed opinion is "race x should be attacked" then kids of race x can end up attacked as result. If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked. That is how it always was. After all, nazi did won war of ideas and so did hutu and so did khmer rouge.

If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked.

OK, but we're not discussing a scenario in which stormfront members have total control over what the children are exposed to. We're discussing a scenario where they have at most a few minutes of the child's attention. For the other fifteen and three quarters waking hours of the child's day, their attention belongs to their teachers or their parents. If you believe the 'racist bullshit' coming from stormfront has any chance of winning the war of ideas against those odds, that tells me something about what you think of either the quality of the other ideas or the ability of teachers and parents to impart them into the minds of children, and, let me tell you, it's not flattering.

After all, nazi did won war of ideas

Now we're no longer talking about children. We're talking about "racist bullshit" winning the war of ideas in the minds of full grown adults. If you're concerned that "racist bullshit" is going to win the war of ideas in the minds of full grown adults, that tells me very clearly what you think about the quality of your preferred ideas or what you think about the quality of the minds of those full grown adults. And again, it's not flattering.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by cortesoft »

59nadir wrote: post #158
philangist wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you to police what we do or don't need in online gaming? Why is your definition of tactless behavior more valid than mine? All of this just seems like recreational outrage from the outside looking in.

Some people would rather no one can get the content than simply not consuming it themselves. It's not enough that they don't see it: No one should, because they know what's best.

Are those articles advocating that youtube ban him from the site? Are they arguing that he should be arrested, or prohibited from creating his content? I don't think they are.

What the articles critical of PewDiePie are saying is, "here is what he said and why we think it is offensive and why we no longer watch his channel. If you agree with us, you should also not watch his channel"

Everyone is free to read this opinion and then decide for themselves if they agree with the writer, or if they want to keep watching. If it turns out that so many people agree with the articles that PewDiePie no longer has an audience large enough to sustain him, then that sucks for the people who DO want to keep seeing him, but is just reality. If not enough people want to watch content of a certain type to sustain the producer, then that content will not be produced.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by laughfactory »

Alreadyobsolete wrote: post #173
ekianjo wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to restrict this to generations Oh, I think this is very different now from when it was happening back in time. Back in the 60s-80s, younger generations were the ones actually fighting for the Freedom of Expression. Nowadays the younger generation is the one pushing for harder stances to make people shut up. Look at safe zones in university campuses, it's actively enforced by students themselves.

The safe community spaces on college campuses are honestly doing the opposite of what you suggest, generally giving people the opportunity to speak without fear. An example being communities where LGBT students can speak without fear of being targeted by homophobia, transphobia or otherwise. It's not unusual for communities to create rules to help foster dialogue and make its members feel safe being in that community

Uh, safe for the minority perhaps, but not safe for anyone who would dare to express any contradicting views. Imagine if someone said they thought their was no such thing as being gay, or said that they didn't think being trans was a real thing. Do you think the "safe zone" would be "safe" for them? At least in my perspective it's a very one-sided, anti-freedom of expression movement. It seems ignorant of me for so many which support them to overlook this.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by laughfactory »

Karunamon wrote: post #179
Alreadyobsolete wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The safe community spaces on college campuses are honestly doing the opposite of what you suggest, generally giving people the opportunity to speak without fear. An example being communities where LGBT students can speak without fear of being targeted by homophobia, transphobia or otherwise. It's not unusual for communities to create rules to help foster dialogue and make its members feel safe being in that community

If that were literally all it was about, nobody would have reason to complain. Instead, the concept has expanded out to encompass political views which can be debated in good faith. Supporting certain candidates has resulted in public shaming, if not outright violence. Do our college students really need to be kept "safe" from mere disagreement?

I totally agree. Well said.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by jimmyk »

jrkatz wrote: post #182
jimmyk wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you worried that your children will be threatened for their heritage in a world where children can be exposed to a diversity of opinion, including those you don't approve of? Do you think you'll lose the war of ideas to "bullshit"?

I'm worried because my children will have the same Jewish heritage I have, and while it is not likely reason will lose the day, it is possible. Even a slim chance is worth taking very seriously. It's like giant, apocalyptic asteroids. Odds are one won't hit the Earth in our time, and if it's on track to odds are we won't be able to stop it. We're still looking out for them.

We're not exactly spending hundreds of billions each year on asteroid mitigation programs. From what I can tell, the total spending at least in the US is at most in the hundreds of millions annually. If the odds of an impact were vastly higher, we probably would spend hundreds of billions each year. If we knew an impact was coming, we'd spend nearly every cent we had trying to stop it.

Given the sheer magnitude of outrage which predictably follows "racist bullshit" being publicly displayed, I can infer, if people are acting somewhat near rationally, that they rate the chance of "racist bullshit" winning the day somewhat higher than "slim". Do you agree with that? If so, why are you worried about reason losing the day? Is it the quality of your ideas that you find lacking, or the reasoning power of the people around you?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by sqeaky »

quirkafleeg wrote: post #188
watwut wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we know what other crazy shit he suggested?

His other crazy shit was to pay someone to say "Hitler did nothing wrong". When that guy, who was dressed as Jesus, was banned by Fiverr, Pewdiepie stated: "Isn't it ironic that Jews[1] found another way to fuck Jesus over?" Whether his quest to push the comedy envelope extends further than Nazi/Jew related material, I don't know. [1] Fiverr is based in Israel. Edit: And the predictable downvote within minutes. How f…

I didn't downvote you, nor am I a fan. I only saw parts of the episode when a friend watched it, so I did not see it in it's entirety.

Is what you listed a complete listing of things he attempted to get through? Or just your selection of what he tried that was prejudice? It seems likely he also would have tried to get some other dumb things through on the level of dick jokes.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by jrkatz »

jimmyk wrote: post #202
watwut wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that exposed opinion is "race x should be attacked" then kids of race x can end up attacked as result. If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked. That is how it always was. After all, nazi did won war of ideas and so did hutu and so did khmer rouge.

If you convince children that it is right to attack members of race x, then other kids of race x will end up attacked. OK, but we're not discussing a scenario in which stormfront members have total control over what the children are exposed to. We're discussing a scenario where they have at most a few minutes of the child's attention. For the other fifteen and three quarters waking hours of the child's day, their att…

Given that racist adults exist it is quite clear that the scenario is possible, and I think it is reasonable to assume that is a process that begins in childhood, when their minds are malleable, until finally they are old enough they cannot be swayed but can fully rationalize it, and maybe even hide between the lines in almost palatable questions like, "Is it really bullshit if it wins the war of ideas?", which assumes some kind of fair marketplace of ideas where the right thing always wins, ergo if we kill a million people here and there for the group they belong to they must have deserved it.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by bridanp »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

As someone who is just a bit over the age of 40, I do spend most of my TV watching time with Youtube. However, my viewing habits are not for watching these channels in question. I'm more into the killing 10 minutes paradigm. I choose Youtube because I can search for something I'm interested in, get a bunch of hits, and just pick one. If I like it, I let it keep going, if not, I skip it or just turn it off. I don't like investing a lot of time in searching through the Netflix/Hulu catalog, and eventually deciding via "meh".

As far as these types of popular or personality cult channels go, I pass. I don't understand the draw. I understand the ones where you watch people play video games; that makes sense. What I don't understand is watching people open boxes, reaction videos (where you watch someone react to a video they are watching), or those videos where people are complaining about something/someone on Youtube/Twitter/Facebook/Snapchat and how that affects them.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by exsf0859 »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Two Minute Papers https://www.youtube.com/user/keeroyz - enthusiastic summaries of machine learning papers.

Pachter Factor on SIFTD Games channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFaBUWXO8o4jSfF6PhJOyZA Discusses the game business.

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