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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

I feel like that article was just a bunch of more or less hypothetical scenarios where X did Y and then some other characters being in "our time" and yada yada. I still have no idea what JonTron did, I guess he said something racist ... somewhere?

Only if statistics are racist.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If public outrage can do this, public outrage at media hit jobs can fix them

The public outrage at what you perceive to be a "media hit job" is unlikely to come. What you're witnessing is mainstream (pretty much) America rejecting something they're now aware of that's too outside the norm. PDP can keep making content, but there's not really a likely scenario where he gets paid by Disney to do it.

This. I don't understand why the people who like PDP's content should care about him not being being able to get money from mainstream agencies such as Disney. He hasn't been banned from youtube, he can pretty much continue doing what he's always been doing. But those endorsements are predicated on certain restrictions...

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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His other crazy shit was to pay someone to say "Hitler did nothing wrong". When that guy, who was dressed as Jesus, was banned by Fiverr, Pewdiepie stated: "Isn't it ironic that Jews[1] found another way to fuck Jesus over?" Whether his quest to push the comedy envelope extends further than Nazi/Jew related material, I don't know. [1] Fiverr is based in Israel. Edit: And the predictable downvote within minutes. How f…

I didn't downvote you, nor am I a fan. I only saw parts of the episode when a friend watched it, so I did not see it in it's entirety. Is what you listed a complete listing of things he attempted to get through? Or just your selection of what he tried that was prejudice? It seems likely he also would have tried to get some other dumb things through on the level of dick jokes.

Do we really need the complete list of things he said before we can judge the wisdom (or lack thereof) of the headline-grabbing ones?

"Is what you listed the complete list of ingredients to this homeopathic medicine? Or just your selection of the poisonous ones? It seems likely they would have put in some other healthy things on the level of ginseng"

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Be sure to turn on the subtitles - he narrates through CC what he is doing which is often very interesting.

Subtitles are different than Closed Captioning.

Not on YouTube - the menu entry is literally "Subtitles/CC"

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me. I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons. His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth…

Pewdiepie made his money off really really really young audience.. those of you old enough to make up your own judgement/mind and talk about it weren't the ones Disney really cared about.. It's the fact that MILLIONS of young viewers - aged 6+ (probably mostly 8 to 11 years old) watched something that tried to normalize something most kids in that age group shouldn't normalize...

If people feel he was "holding back his freedom" then Disney should NEVER have been a sponsor and WSJ did a service to wake up the community to sponsorship of content creators not creating content for the demographics in which his revenue was being generated.

my 9 year old used to love him, sang "this sammich doesn't have turkey on it" all the freaking time but now won't even admit his existence mostly because kids want to watch youtubers have fun and not hate.. even if its in satire - its not the right demographics..

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Does that sound about right? No, not quite. It's the way in which you react, which is to silence the opposition. If you believed your ideas would win reasonable minds on their merits, and you believed the minds in question were reasonable, and you yourself were a rational person, you wouldn't feel such a strong need to shut down the dissemination of other ideas. Have I gone wrong somewhere in my reasoning? Why are yo…

I've already made it quite clear that I think not all the minds in question are reasonable, but you keep asking this question, like you really want to get something in it out there. Since it's not likely, then, that you are engaging in good faith, I have to go digging for the bad faith and it is not far beneath the surface. In the end these discussions come down a fundamental moral question, outside all reasoning and…

not evidence that anti-racism is irrational

I haven't argued that it is evidence of such. I've argued that your particular chosen method of combating racism is irrational under a few specific conditions: A) your position is reasonable and B) the bulk of the people around you are reasonable and just.

It seems like you don't believe B is the case ("I've already made it quite clear that I think not all the minds in question are reasonable.... [L]eft unchecked racism could fester in us and cause great harm...") and don't especially care if A is the case ("outside all reasoning...no matter how you or I react to racism...it is still wrong.").

Given you believe your heritage is at stake ("I'm worried because my children will have the same Jewish heritage I have"), your method is quite rational under those conditions. I wonder if your co-religionists tend to be of a similar mind.

You may as well ask me why I argue the sky is blue when someone tells me it is green.

Except you're not arguing against racism, you're arguing for outrage against racism. Those are two very different things.

It's strange someone would ask me why I argue the sky is blue

I'm not asking you why the sky is blue, I'm asking why you think outrage and censorship is the appropriate way to keep minds from thinking the sky is green. From what you've said, the answer is that A) you feel the stakes are quite high for you personally, B) you didn't reason yourself into the position that the sky is blue, but in fact believe it's outside the bounds of reason to even weigh in on the subject (I suspect you don't actually think this, but it is what you said), and C) believe a great deal of the people around you are mentally deficient in such a way that they're biased toward belief in a green sky.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's not implosion, it's just the outrage crowd setting their sights on a new target and gaming sites trying to settle score with the new media.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's…

>If he wants to perform for children

have jontron or pewdiepie ever specified that they produce children's entertainment? i keep seeing this argument brought up but i don't see how it means a hell of a lot on an open* platform with effectively no ratings guidelines. plenty of 14 year-olds used to read big brother and watch baker videos and i can guarantee you they are interfacing with far more suggestive content on a regular basis, but none of these things would be considered to cater to children even if they were the largest demographic of consumers.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

It's 100% like Reddit; the site is wonderful if you dig through and find the little corners that appeal to you. Yet skimming off the top tends to yield a lot of garbage.

The Alientube browser extension will display Reddit threads about a video (if available) in place of YouTube comments, which I've found is often a good way to find new channels as people discuss similar videos. The more you watch, the more good stuff you'll find. It doesn't all happen at once.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

It's 100% like Reddit; the site is wonderful if you dig through and find the little corners that appeal to you. Yet skimming off the top tends to yield a lot of garbage. The Alientube browser extension will display Reddit threads about a video (if available) in place of YouTube comments, which I've found is often a good way to find new channels as people discuss similar videos. The more you watch, the more good stuff…

>> It's 100% like Reddit

That seems like a perfect analogy. I hate 90% of the popular Reddit stuff (I don't even understand how people enjoy or find it funny) yet I got really into it after digging down into some subreddits.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

I feel like that article was just a bunch of more or less hypothetical scenarios where X did Y and then some other characters being in "our time" and yada yada. I still have no idea what JonTron did, I guess he said something racist ... somewhere?

He had a debate that was cast on Twitch. Pretty good overview here (the subreddit is clearly hostile to Jon's opinions, but the original post is quality):

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/comments/5z676o/we...

A major highlight:

> We've gotten rid of discrimination in our western countries. If you don't think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you're living in a fantasy land.

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