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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by Houshalter »

evilDagmar wrote: post #94
raesene6 wrote: post #39

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

The WSJ may have sensationalized things, but PewDiePie legitimately made those incredibly tacky statements and "jokes" all by himself. We don't need that type of tactless behavior in online gaming. What happens on 4chan should stay on 4chan.

This goes well beyond 4chan. I've seen the "Hitler did nothing wrong" meme on popular subreddits thousands of times. It's so obviously an over the top absurd statement. It's very difficult to understand how people believed he was serious. This whole "controversy" is manufactured and based on deliberate misunderstanding to get clicks.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by jrkatz »

jimmyk wrote: post #166
jrkatz wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For an extreme example, suppose stormfront camps outside your child's school passing out leaflets and having fun, racist singalongs. How can it be your responsibility when they're in an area that is effectively outside your control? Sure, once you find out about it you can pull them from school but this requires first that you find out about it, which you may not be able to do until they come home singing the 14 word…

Why are you worried that your children will be threatened for their heritage in a world where children can be exposed to a diversity of opinion, including those you don't approve of? Do you think you'll lose the war of ideas to "bullshit"?

I'm worried because my children will have the same Jewish heritage I have, and while it is not likely reason will lose the day, it is possible. Even a slim chance is worth taking very seriously. It's like giant, apocalyptic asteroids. Odds are one won't hit the Earth in our time, and if it's on track to odds are we won't be able to stop it. We're still looking out for them.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by sorenjan »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

I can't stand the typical Youtuber channels, which seems to be mostly vlogs with fast cuts. I guess they're a logical continuation of reality TV, people seem to like watching what others are watching, even if it's some stranger spouting inane drivel. I don't care about some stranger's vacation, even if there's fancy editing and expensive cameras. It's a bit sad that young people seem to spend more and more time with their phones and computers and substituting socializing with videos. I've heard the argument for let's play videos and vlogs that it's like sitting next to a friend.

You've already gotten lot's of great tips, I'll go ahead and list some more channels that I find interesting and/or entertaining. Youtube is what you make of it, unfortunately it's not very good at relevant suggestions. It depends on if you want to watch people build things, talk about science, drive expensive cars, British panel shows, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/user/EngineeringExplained

https://www.youtube.com/user/physicswoman

https://www.youtube.com/user/arduinoversusevil

https://www.youtube.com/user/theCodyReeder

https://www.youtube.com/user/Techmoan

https://www.youtube.com/user/standupmaths

https://www.youtube.com/user/shedscience

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA - Clickspring

https://www.youtube.com/user/mikeselectricstuff

https://www.youtube.com/user/1veritasium

https://www.youtube.com/user/destinws2

https://www.youtube.com/user/gradyhillhouse

https://www.youtube.com/user/engineerguyvideo

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by scaryspooky »

bryanh wrote: post #161
rhcom2 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Primitive Technology - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA has been my favorite recently. Hits the engineering and problem solving part of my brain but is also weirdly very meditative without any talking.

Be sure to turn on the subtitles - he narrates through CC what he is doing which is often very interesting.

Subtitles are different than Closed Captioning.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by ForRealsies »

empath75 wrote: post #62
nommm-nommm wrote: post #48

Eh....this may be an unpopular opinion but this article is supposed to make me feel really bad for the self imposed "workload" of Pewdiepie. Boo hoo, he's so disadvantaged... he made, from my quick research, something like $15 million last year alone . If $15 MILLION salary isn't enough for you that you have to keep "pushing the envelope" being "edgier" for more and more attention then I think you're probably being g…

He makes enough money to hire writers.

He makes enough money to take risks.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by watwut »

nailer wrote: post #72
jrkatz wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If 'Death to all jews' -- let's not talk around it, that's what was written on the sign -- wasn't the crux of the joke, why didn't he go with something equally likely to be rejected by people who understand English, but less 'Death to all jews'? Frankly, I think it's because he's a moron who doesn't understand that actions and words, however digital and remote, have consequences. Now middle school kids can chortle to…

> why didn't he go with something equally likely to be rejected by people who understand English, but less 'Death to all jews'? He did. See the other people on fiverr he got to do other, stupid things. You did actually watch the video, right? > likely to be rejected by people who understand English They understand English perfectly - their email replies discussing the task were about the same level of English as spok…

> If a kid thinks that they've misunderstood the joke (and I'd support rating the video something like '15+ mature' or whatever youtube's equivalent is).

The biggest real hit for PewDiePie was that Disney studios dropped him as affiliate. Disney does not feature '15+ mature', they children+parents friendly as a strategy.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

basisword wrote: post #59

Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

Lectures, lectures, lectures!! I search for niche topics, restrict to videos 20 mins or longer, sometimes throw a "lecture", "talk", "speech", "debate", "discussion" etc tag into my search and watch those. There's a lot of amazingly dense insightful videos on youtube with I would actually say restricting to 20 min or longer videos is a real key. I was looking for some information on backpacking yesterday. I did a couple searches, restricted to long videos, watched a few pieces of several of them until I found one I really liked then dug into the channel that made it.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by quirkafleeg »

watwut wrote: post #172
sqeaky wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The joke was that he was asking a bunch of people to do unreasonable things for $5 and someone else actually agreed to this. He went into it knowing it was unreasonable and thats the joke. We only hear about this, because no one else did the other crazy shit he suggested.

Do we know what other crazy shit he suggested?

His other crazy shit was to pay someone to say "Hitler did nothing wrong".

When that guy, who was dressed as Jesus, was banned by Fiverr, Pewdiepie stated: "Isn't it ironic that Jews[1] found another way to fuck Jesus over?"

Whether his quest to push the comedy envelope extends further than Nazi/Jew related material, I don't know.

[1] Fiverr is based in Israel.

Edit: And the predictable downvote within minutes. How funny that the fans of Pewdiepie, and his "free speech", have such a reaction to a post stating objective facts about what he said.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by Vaskivo »

Raknarg wrote: post #19
minimaxir wrote: post #13

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care. Personally I don't really, mostly because his personal views never come into play on his actual show. This kind of thing always happens when you get someone involved in comedy to participate in a serious discussion, you start realizing they have opinions and views that you may not like.

JonTRon was supposed to provide voices for the kickstarted game Yooka-Laylee and was dropped due to this incident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/03/23/yooka-layle...

In response, many gamers are revolting and asking for refunds. Their reason is that Playtonic did it as a political move and games shouldn't be political. And a lot of "SJW" stuff. Playtonic, in response, is banning a lot of people from the Steam forums and refusing refunds. (I don't know if Playtonic is banning people for asking for refunds of them just being rude).

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by jrkatz »

jimmyk wrote: post #140
jrkatz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's…

If you believe being mad and outraged is an effective means of ensuring your own chosen words find their way into impressionable, insecure minds, then sure, you should be mad, Mr. Katz.

This assumes the 'outrage community' is a thing that exists and is a bunch of angry people, frothing at the mouth, waiting to attack anyone who isn't toeing their line. Maybe they even have meetings. If they do I haven't been invited. That might be because they don't exist. I believe my responses have been well measured, and the idea of an 'outrage community' is something that has been propped up to point to as a defense against criticism, no matter how deserved.

"People don't like that I'm racist? No, that's the outrage community"

"I feel attacked on all sides. Could it be that the majority of people find my ideals abhorrent? No, that's the outrage community"

In short, it's a way to pretend you are part of a silent majority, attacked by a vocal minority in the absence of actual evidence.

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