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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#131
Reasons Youtubers don't realize their Youtubing actually became a business and don't hire a crew (that includes a PR team).

Zoella does a good job, she had a breakdown thas was very not problematic, but is mostly very professional.

Pewdiepew pewdiepie whatever. he's stupid. fuck that shit. fuck hacker news. fuck you all.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Does anyone here spend much of their usual 'entertainment' time watching YouTube (specifically content creators not TED talks and such)? I started doing it recently just to see what all the fuss is about as it seems pretty common for younger people (and I'm 26 so it's not like I'm old but I didn't do it). After subscribing to a few channels I started watching stuff regularly. Basically if I want to kill 10 mins I'll…

I definitely spend a lot of my entertainment time watching youtube. I really agree what you're saying as far as big content creators not offering much substance to their videos, but it's wrong to think that the "big youtubers" are the only ones making things on Youtube. I have my subscriptions filled with some pretty amazing smaller youtubers who are making great, cerebral content all the time. I'm more interested in…

Primitive Technology - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA

has been my favorite recently. Hits the engineering and problem solving part of my brain but is also weirdly very meditative without any talking.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that the power of hordes of folks to try to make their views the predominant one is nothing other than a cynical phrasing of democracy, right? What is political freedom, if not the ability to work with like-minded others to advocate for or against a viewpoint? Should we censor people who wish to engage in this right? And I am confused how anyone here was silenced. This person's views, and the views of everyon…

There's a difference in airing grievances, political opinion, public discourse, etc, and the lynching of people outside your view with a specific intent of silencing and destroying their very lives. This vindictiveness is explicit and widespread. The very notion of "I disagree with you (and will bring it to light) but will defend your right to say it" seems to be dead in modern outrage culture.

"Lynching" seems to be exaggeration here, since nobody appears to be actually dying. I mention this not because I'm upset about that word, but because I disagree with the basic claim that anyone's lives or livelihoods are being destroyed. PewDiePie's account is unsuspended and he's actively posting to YouTube. He doesn't have a Disney sponsorship any more, but I don't believe he particularly has a right to a Disney sponsorship. He's welcome to make a living however he wants, just like anyone else. And just like anyone else, his past work will impact his future prospects; if I play a bad joke on my coworkers, my future employment prospects as a sysadmin will likely be limited, too. That is part and parcel of making sure that good work improves your future prospects, which seems like a desirable goal for a society.

I support PewDiePie's right to say whatever he wants. I posted a link to his own video in another comment. I am thrilled to bring it to light. I don't believe that defending his right to say it involves defending his right to receive corporate funding or popular appreciation for what he says; "I disagree but will defend your right" seems to imply quite the opposite to me.

I agree that if you find yourself destitute (or actually lynched) as a result of public outcry, your right to speech is impacted, but I don't believe there's ever been such a case. Can you point me to one?

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's…

With all respect, it is the parents responsibility, not youtube or jontron, to make sure their little angel is not drinking in racist rants.

Google right now is having a bit of a public relations issue with advertisers, regarding advertisements being placed in front of controversial content in Youtube. Several companies already have suspended ads.

I'm sure most mainline corporate advertisers don't want to be associated with seemingly "sponsoring" neo-Nazi content / hate speech or other extremist content (eg radical Islaimc / IS videos), which if the articles I see are right (example: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/03/20/trouble-b...) they sometimes do.

Managing that is Google / Youtube's responsibility. It'll be interesting what they do. The "outrage crowd" probably matters less to Google than the hit to the pocketbook, I think.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#135

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With all respect, it is the parents responsibility, not youtube or jontron, to make sure their little angel is not drinking in racist rants.

That's a laudable attitude, but its feasibility is rapidly eroding in this always-connected world. Can't watch over the little angel's shoulder to see what's on their phone 24x7.

I think it is less about filtering what a kid sees and more about preparing children for the crazy shit the world can throw at kids without meaning too.

For any adult looking at PewDiePie's shenanigans it is clear that he isn't actually supporting organized racism, or if he is he is astoundingly bad at it (perhaps as bad at being funny. But to a an unprepared kid (or dumb adult) this stuff can seem shocking and the jokes might be missed on them. PewDiePie simply didn't care some kids might see and wasn't concerned about it.

Parents can prepare their kids and create open environments where the kids can ask questions. If done right the parent can create situations where they can simply explain that PewDiePie lacks good taste when the kid asks what its going on.

This is a bunch of idealist rubbish, but at least a few parents have done it.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#138

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

The pewdiepie controversy seems manufactured to me.

I get pewdiepies humor. I watch his videos anticipating his originality and I guess 54 million subs do for varying reasons.

His ability to express himself and generate content that makes me laugh repeatedly. He's not insensitive despite what some news articles say. The anti-semitism thing is so overused today its a little meaningless. The only way to push its worth is to generate headlines and articles to emphasis its importance.

He jokes broadly about every culture and only seems to have issues with one culture in particular, unsurprisingly.

It's reached a point it feels he's holding back something funny to please WSJ - a huge, huge tragedy and loss to his freedom and originality.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

#139

I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment. It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality. Pewdiepie is an i…

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will sell millions of pageviews."

There, updated for contemporary KPIs.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's not implosion, it's just the outrage crowd setting their sights on a new target and gaming sites trying to settle score with the new media.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's…

If you believe being mad and outraged is an effective means of ensuring your own chosen words find their way into impressionable, insecure minds, then sure, you should be mad, Mr. Katz.
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