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Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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It's not implosion, it's just the outrage crowd setting their sights on a new target and gaming sites trying to settle score with the new media.

'outrage crowd'. Huh. right now, the big blowup is over some guy ('jontron') spouting racist BS. This is bad enough in front of an adult audience, but in fact he is performing this for children. Shouldn't we be mad? For PewDiePie recently, the same story: He is an adult (who should know better) performing antisemitic jokes for children, who might not follow the joke were it funny. When they don't follow it, when it's not funny -- it wasn't -- it boils down to a respected figure repeating anti-semitic talking points to an adoring audience of 14 year olds. Did he mean poorly? Maybe, maybe not. If he didn't mean poorly and it was all environmental factors, "He's just trying to make a living and YouTube culture doesn't give him time to test jokes", are we supposed to apologize for him and move on? I say he took on a responsibility and failed it, so we should be angry.

If he wants to perform for children he needs to respect the fact that his words have exaggerated consequences because he's dumping them into impressionable, insecure minds. Don't reduce me to some 'outrage crowd' and write me off when I'm concerned that a children's performer is feeding them rape & jew 'jokes'.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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post #15

So errrrm...am I completely out of touch with the world for not knowing who PewDiePie is (or what the incident referenced was)? Why not explain that in the beginning? There's a link later but I kind of went through most of the article blindly.

You were not alone in this. I read about him some weeks or months ago because of some newspaper that features a 'scandal' about him. IIRC something about Disney dropping him from their network (did not know they had a youtube network, and I'm not entirely sure if I remember that correctly).

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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post #15

So errrrm...am I completely out of touch with the world for not knowing who PewDiePie is (or what the incident referenced was)? Why not explain that in the beginning? There's a link later but I kind of went through most of the article blindly.

I'm going to copy/paste a bit of a comment I made further down:

Let's Plays are videos where people play video games and commentate over them.

Fivrr is a site where people can offer small services for about five bucks.

Pewdiepie is a extremely famous youtuber who produces lets plays, and is especially popular with younger audiences. He got in trouble for playing some indian men on Fivrr to wave around signs with racist messages on them ("Death to Jews" IIRC) on camera as part of a joke. The joke was delivered extremely poorly, and even in context it just seemed really scummy. It understandably didn't go over well and lots of people wrote angry articles about it. It ended up with Disney, who were affiliated with him, disavowing him and ending that affiliation.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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That was a long article that could be summed up by: "Sometimes people say stupid things. Most don't record and publish it for the world".

I was disappointed to find out the laser-focus was on scandals related to youtube celebrities, and not on the infrastructure youtube has that creates youtube celebrities. The author mentions Game Theory (another youtube channel) which has some videos that delves into these mechanics instead. My fear with Youtube as a casual viewer is that content creators (such as the author) are too focused on scandal with other cha…

One factor that is rarely mentioned in this conversation is that Drama helps Youtubers - a lot. Videos about 'Youtube in crisis' gets a whole lot of views, much more than the usual standard-fare videos. This doesn't only apply to the YouTuber being targeted.

For example, assume there is some controversy over some gamer on YouTube. YouTube Channels dedicated to talking about Internet culture, like h3h3productions or PhillipDeFranco, take the opportunity to make a video titled "YouTube is Dying" with a lot of question marks in the thumbnail. They do this because videos about meta-controversies get more views than specific things. So the video gets more views, and other YouTube channels talk about the 'controversy' in order to get views themselves. Then the gamer may make a video titled "Response to YouTube controversy" which gets way more views than his average video, because it's a meta topic that everyone's talking about. And the cycle continues.

TL;DR: Controversies help content creators get more views.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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I don't really watch any of the youtube or twitch personalities but I am aware of them. So from my perspective it seems like these are people in their 20s so it shouldn't be surprising that they make bad choices. That being said, they are bad choices and they should be criticized for them.

I think the article makes a good point that it is kind of amazing that Disney bought Maker Studios but doesn't seem to be putting in the work to make sure their employees don't do something stupid.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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post #21
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought there was lots of good insight on how youtube pushes creators to operate at a breakneck pace, how this is at odds with what makes comedy work or not work, and how companies aren't willing or able to provide editorial support (perhaps for fear of killing the golden goose) for these youtubers, unlike traditional celebrities.

One of my favorite youtuber only publish a new video like once a month, and he doesn't talk in the video, ever. I suspect he's the exception to the rule, though.

I imagine this mostly relates to the super mainstream channels that pump out content of the same quality as the random TV shows of years past. If you follow the niche channels (that are IMO more fulfilling) like mikeselectricstuff or flightchops or whoever, they operate under different rules. Their audience will seek their postings because they want the specific content.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Unrelated, but am I the only one who can't believe how bad both the app and the website are from an experience perspective: Website: 1. If my google home is playing music in my kitchen, I can't watch videos. It just cuts them off and gives me a licensing error. Instead it should just downgrade me to ad-driven youtube. 2. Most videos have huge 'annotations' that I can click off, but automatically get clicked back on f…

omg this. The YouTube android app is a disaster. Incoherent, poor propagation of what I've watched between devices, no obvious UI for how to stop watching a video (back button just thumbnails it so you can navigate - you have to swipe-sideways the video to actually close it), and it locks up for a long time starting up a video.

Also, the fact that vertically-filmed cellphone videos don't fill the screen when you try to watch them in portrait mode is so bone-headed it's actually funny.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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I've been watching Youtube vids for a long time (well relatively, like 10+ years) and it's one of my primary forms of entertainment.

It has been very interesting to see youtubers come and go, a lot of them seem to burn out on the schedule of trying to produce content regularly, which I can understand, anyone who's edited videos would realise the time it can take to produce something of good quality.

Pewdiepie is an interesting case as he's far and away the biggest "real" channel on youtube (i.e. not VEVO or one of the generic youtube channels).

https://vidstatsx.com/PewDiePie/youtube-channel gives you an idea of the size, he regularly gets 5-10 million views a day!

The controversy seems very click-baity to me, I read the articles and watched his response videos. It seemed to me that he made some pretty bad taste comments (if you've seen much of his content that shouldn't be a surprise) and the WSJ deliberately sliced it up to take it out of context and produce the most sensationalised headline possible.

All reminded me of the quote generally attribued to cardinal Richelieu.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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post #19

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

JonTron isn't going to lose his subscriberbase from this though... I doubt most of them care. Personally I don't really, mostly because his personal views never come into play on his actual show. This kind of thing always happens when you get someone involved in comedy to participate in a serious discussion, you start realizing they have opinions and views that you may not like.

It's not his youtube subscriber base that he should worry about, it's his advertisement / cross-promotion deals. He did a series with Disney on Star Wars, promotes Audible on his channel, in addition to other deals.
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