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Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by kiba » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

542458 wrote: post #16

thieving_magpie wrote: post #9

That was a long article that could be summed up by: "Sometimes people say stupid things. Most don't record and publish it for the world".

I thought there was lots of good insight on how youtube pushes creators to operate at a breakneck pace, how this is at odds with what makes comedy work or not work, and how companies aren't willing or able to provide editorial support (perhaps for fear of killing the golden goose) for these youtubers, unlike traditional celebrities.

One of my favorite youtuber only publish a new video like once a month, and he doesn't talk in the video, ever.

I suspect he's the exception to the rule, though.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by and0 » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

tonymke wrote: post #18

The reason this guy went on multiple racist and antisemitic tirades - including a debate where he goes off on the terrible consequences of a world where whites aren't the minority - is ~it's hard to get in the YouTube sidebar~?

This article was about PewDiePie's nazi joke, the JonTron thing happened more recently (article is over a month old).

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by Raknarg » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

kriro wrote: post #15

So errrrm...am I completely out of touch with the world for not knowing who PewDiePie is (or what the incident referenced was)? Why not explain that in the beginning? There's a link later but I kind of went through most of the article blindly.

He is the largest youtuber, he has like 50M subscribers. Did a bit pretending to be a nazi that people took out of context alongside some other things, became a huge stupid controversy.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by 542458 » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #13

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

That hadn't occurred to me before, but I think you're right in that JonTron's situation is roughly comparable to the second half of OP's article. Any real publicist would have advised him that doing that debate was a bad idea or at least would have prepped him for it, but it doesn't look like he got any such advice (or if he did he didn't listen to it).

There's probably a point to be made that a real publicist would also help do damage control, which both Pewdiepie and Jontron (and I imagine most people) are clearly are terrible at.

(One difference I would draw is that I don't think PewDiePie is genuinely racist, he just made a really, really stupid joke. Conversely, JonTron was pretty clear about what he thought about undesirables polluting the gene pool...)

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by stonemetal » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:35 PM UTC

Pxtl wrote: post #6

okket wrote: post #2

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Still, it does highlight how YouTube sabotages the quality of its own platform by accidentally creating pressure to post at super-high frequency. As a YouTube viewer, I'm actually quite annoyed how confusing its user-interface is. Google is so proud of their AIs that they make it extremely difficult to just get a dumb feed of "what's the latest posts from the channels I follow"? The system really wants you to explore…

On the left there is a menu the fourth item of which is Subscriptions. Click on that, it gives you exactly what you asked for.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by minimaxir » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:35 PM UTC

ForRealsies wrote: post #17

minimaxir wrote: post #13

It's worth nothing that this article was posted a month ago: since then, there was another incident along the same lines where popular YouTuber JonTron imploded for the same reasons as described in the article. Jim Sterling has the most objective take on the sequence of events: http://www.thejimquisition.com/youtubers-say-the-darndest-th...

Has JonTron's popularity gone down? I don't follow any of it, I just heard he was dropping red pills. Which is more than I heard of him before.

As typical for these type of events, a relatively small proportion unsubscribed, which was completely counteracted by latent user growth in a couple weeks.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by greenhatman » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:35 PM UTC

Probably a lot of PewDiePie's appeal is his uncensoredness. It's just unfiltered non-sense for the most part.

Some people can't deal with it. But a lot of people want it.

Personally, I think that's why I love Dave Chappelle so much. He seems to be able to get away with a lot as well.

Few things relaxes me like someone making jokes with no filters.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by curiousgal » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:37 PM UTC

krige wrote: post #4

It's not implosion, it's just the outrage crowd setting their sights on a new target and gaming sites trying to settle score with the new media.

I'd take that on a case-by-case basis.

PewDiePie was obviously targeted. JonTron was not.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by and0 » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:37 PM UTC

Went into the article expecting it to be silly, but there were actually a ton of interesting insights, especially about how no one knows how to manage these celebrities.

Also, slowbeef is being humble; he literally invented the LP and curated the scene forever ago. His Metal Gear 2 annotated playthrough (from the mid-00s at the latest, I'm remembering HTML tables) was absolutely hysterical (at least to my teenage self), and was the only way I could read the earlier plot to that series at the time. He's also been able to figure out how to hack ROMs for translation that nobody else could and ran translation projects, like with Policenauts. He's a hero in the gaming community and totally underrated, so I'm always upset to not hear his name come up more often when people discuss Let's Plays.

Re: Reasons YouTubers keep imploding, from a YouTuber

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Post by slazaro » Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 2:37 PM UTC

kiba wrote: post #21

542458 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought there was lots of good insight on how youtube pushes creators to operate at a breakneck pace, how this is at odds with what makes comedy work or not work, and how companies aren't willing or able to provide editorial support (perhaps for fear of killing the golden goose) for these youtubers, unlike traditional celebrities.

One of my favorite youtuber only publish a new video like once a month, and he doesn't talk in the video, ever. I suspect he's the exception to the rule, though.

Primitive Technology, I presume. It's a great channel.