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Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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Post by humanrebar »

Merad wrote: post #136
humanrebar wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll grant there could be in Silicon Valley or California I'd be willing to relocate there if it made economic sense. If H1B were not available and bay area salaries higher, it would be more in the realm of personality. I know a lot of great engineers in "flyover states" that more than understand that they'd have to take a decrease in standard of living to move to the Bay Area so don't even consider it.

> I know a lot of great engineers in "flyover states" that more than understand that they'd have to take a decrease in standard of living to move to the Bay Area so don't even consider it. Yup. According to all the cost of living calculators I'd need upwards of $175k in SF to match what I'm getting at the moment in boring old Tennessee. There's no way it's worth it for me.

...and in my experience, those cost of living calculators underestimate how much nicer (and more commutable) homes are in lower cost of living areas.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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Post by bdittmer »

virtuabhi wrote: post #142

In the threads where we discuss H1B visa holders taking American jobs, can we also consider that American companies are selling their products in countries from where H1B workers come from? Google's Android biggest growth region is India. Why shouldn't then Indians work in Google? Maybe Google should move its headquarters from MV to Bangalore. Alphabet can remain in US. Or another US company, lets say Pepsi, outsourc…

I'm not really sure what triggered you in this article. This is fraud...it has nothing to do with xenophobia.

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Post by denzil_correa »

Chathamization wrote: post #124
ComodoHacker wrote: post #41

I wonder why people here praise free competition on a global market as a primary value when they talk about their products and services, but support competition limiting when it comes to the labor market in their own country.

Economist Dean Baker has been making this point, and its an important one. While most in the upper class seem to be adamant that people in, say, manufacturing must compete with low cost foreign workers (free trade is good, protectionism is bad), they are more than happy to continue the protectionism that more educated workers (people like them) enjoy. There are a lot of people that are fine with protectionism, but th…

> While most in the upper class seem to be adamant that people in, say, manufacturing must compete with low cost foreign workers (free trade is good, protectionism is bad), they are more than happy to continue the protectionism that more educated workers (people like them) enjoy.

Everyone wants regulation for "others", free market for themselves.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Velox wrote: post #91

This thread is great. Whenever H-1B threads come up on HN, I prepare for the onslaught of what can only be described as hatred. It's the view of many people on this site that all H-1B holders are "cheaters" of the system, and they don't deserve to get a job in the US. As a former H-1B holder, the threads always made me feel guilty, and feel bad about wanting to work for a well regarded, successful company. It's nice,…

Sentiment on hackernews is more pro-H1B than not. Of course, there are a few anti-H1B people here, just like there are a few Trump supporters, but they are by no means a majority.

Re: Bay Area professionals indicted for H-1B visa fraud

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

humanrebar wrote: post #151
Merad wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know a lot of great engineers in "flyover states" that more than understand that they'd have to take a decrease in standard of living to move to the Bay Area so don't even consider it. Yup. According to all the cost of living calculators I'd need upwards of $175k in SF to match what I'm getting at the moment in boring old Tennessee. There's no way it's worth it for me.

...and in my experience, those cost of living calculators underestimate how much nicer (and more commutable) homes are in lower cost of living areas.

They also over estimate how much non housing expenses are in places like SF. Food is often cheaper in those cities, not more expensive, and most non service items cost almost the same.

It's a wash.

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Post by [deleted] »

diogenescynic wrote: post #33

They also need to start going after the lawyers at the immigration firms who knowingly assist in fraud and even coach the applicants how to respond to USCIS questions. There is rampant fraud going on. I've seen it firsthand and know dozens of others in the industry who have as well.

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Post by ma2rten »

eanzenberg wrote: post #148
virtuabhi wrote: post #142

In the threads where we discuss H1B visa holders taking American jobs, can we also consider that American companies are selling their products in countries from where H1B workers come from? Google's Android biggest growth region is India. Why shouldn't then Indians work in Google? Maybe Google should move its headquarters from MV to Bangalore. Alphabet can remain in US. Or another US company, lets say Pepsi, outsourc…

That's fine, have them open an office in India and hire locally. Ever wonder why they don't on a massive scale?

Google has a big office in India.

https://qz.com/403654/google-is-doubling-its-headcount-in-hy...

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Post by dboreham »

eanzenberg wrote: post #148
virtuabhi wrote: post #142

In the threads where we discuss H1B visa holders taking American jobs, can we also consider that American companies are selling their products in countries from where H1B workers come from? Google's Android biggest growth region is India. Why shouldn't then Indians work in Google? Maybe Google should move its headquarters from MV to Bangalore. Alphabet can remain in US. Or another US company, lets say Pepsi, outsourc…

That's fine, have them open an office in India and hire locally. Ever wonder why they don't on a massive scale?

They do. One of the justifications for the H-1B and similar programs is that it benefits the US economy by having work that could have been performed overseas, done domestically, and moves the associated smart, high taxpaying people inside the country.

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Post by johnnyb9 »

silentguy wrote: post #126
writer77 wrote: post #36

Beyond this, there's an entire system that has undermined American software engineers. Schools are incentivized by the ridiculous out of state/country fees they get when they accept international students for their Masters programs, regardless of a students actual abilities or whether the three year Indian/China/U.K. Bachelors sufficiently prepares them. These people always graduate, because money. Corporations, who…

In a way overseas students subsidize the education of local american students in exchange of access of job market. It seems like a fair deal to me.

Just because they pay full tuition doesn't mean domestic students pay less. If anything they are subsidizing the salaries of the people working at the universities.
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