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Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by TelmoMenezes »

tlow wrote: post #98
TelmoMenezes wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Just like this web tool https://www.thunderclap.it/about This is not a "web tool", this is a spam tool. > Sometimes people do want to be notified. No they don't. > Essentially therefore I'm arguing, the ability to gather a quality, targeted email list and generate a recurring newsletter without a 10%+ attrition rate [1] is both difficult and valuable. The web is a beautiful dream. It's being destroyed by people tha…

I'm sorry but calling said tool "spam" is hyperbole to the point of factual incorrectness. Furthermore, this said tool is recommended by Indiegogo's Field Guide, a direct publication of Indiegogo.com, the world's second largest Crowdfunding Platform. I suggest you re-evaluate your fallacious assertion. Aside: You seem very argumentatively aggressive in your comments. Is that serving you or those you're communicating…

> I'm sorry but calling said tool "spam" is hyperbole to the point of factual incorrectness.

The first sentence from Wikipedia on "spamming" is:

"Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send an unsolicited message (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site."

Do you disagree with this definition?

> Furthermore, this said tool is recommended by Indiegogo's Field Guide, a direct publication of Indiegogo.com, the world's second largest Crowdfunding Platform.

I have nothing against Indiegogo, but it's not very hard to figure out that they have a vested interest in their users spreading their crowdfunding campaigns as far and wide as possible -- they make money if they get funded and they get free advertisement as a side-effect. Why should I care what they think about this issue?

> Aside: You seem very argumentatively aggressive in your comments. Is that serving you or those you're communicating with?

Yes.

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by jo909 »

franciscop wrote: post #69
jo909 wrote: post #47

Yes, I want to subscribe to your newsletter! Automatically with a browser plugin, with an address that will even accept your mails. Unfortunately no human will read them in the end, but I'm sure your metrics will be great. I might even accept a cookie so you know I'm already subscribed to your great newsletter. Now if everybody were to do that...

Just imagine a plugin that searches the page for emails and subscribes their email to themselves. PS, when forced to give an email (like 5 min ago for this Wifi) just use @mailinator.com with anything prepended.

Well filtering out their own domains or big anonmailers or fakes is not that hard, so it's best if the address is not distinguishable from someone who is just really bad at reading their mail.

Of course they will then begin to make automated sign ups harder, maybe with captchas or confirmation links etc. which will also discourage real users and maybe kill this concept in the long run.

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by [deleted] »

franciscop wrote: post #69
jo909 wrote: post #47

Yes, I want to subscribe to your newsletter! Automatically with a browser plugin, with an address that will even accept your mails. Unfortunately no human will read them in the end, but I'm sure your metrics will be great. I might even accept a cookie so you know I'm already subscribed to your great newsletter. Now if everybody were to do that...

Just imagine a plugin that searches the page for emails and subscribes their email to themselves. PS, when forced to give an email (like 5 min ago for this Wifi) just use @mailinator.com with anything prepended.

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Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by tdumitrescu »

archon wrote: post #72
pavel_lishin wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the street analogy is accurate; it's more like having someone at the door of every store you go into asking for your phone number as you walk in.

> it's more like having someone at the door of every store you go into asking for your phone number as you walk in. Which is exactly what many stores do, except on the way out (at the register.) They also tend to get pretty annoyed at you when you say "no thanks" to providing a number.

I haven't had store employees get annoyed when I say no in years. I say "can I just skip that?" and it's always "sure no problem."

Years ago I remember it being much worse (especially at Radio Shack!). Employees would have to do stuff like enter a fake phone number because the system often didn't have any bypass mechanism etc, so I can understand their annoyance. I recall aborting one sale out of principle when neither of us would budge. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the playbook the store clerk was supposed to be following but oh well!

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by jasonkostempski »

rabboRubble wrote: post #94
kgwxd wrote: post #53

I made a add-on for myself to shun sites that behave in ways I don't like. It removes links to their sites from every page. It effectively removes them from the internet. I think that's a way scarier scenario for a website owner than just getting their ads blocked. If the list were community driven and widely used, I think site owners would start changing their behavior. I know most people just want the content and d…

Can your add-on remove all mentions of the Kardashians, Taylor Swift, Kanye, and Bruce/Caitlin Jenner?

HA! As a joke, I originally had "Kardashian" as sample for things other than URLs :) So yes, it can but you might not hit all the variety of ways they can be presented or get false hits, especially with "Swift".

Edit: Here's a screenshot of Google after adding the rule and searching "Kardashian" http://imgur.com/a/ltuAk

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by RodericDay »

js2 wrote: post #106

I use Safari and I almost always click/tap the reader view icon as soon as the page loads. This: 1) Shows the text even if a modal has already tried to obscure it. 2) Ensures a legible font and contrast. 3) Undoes stupid scroll jacking. Yay, the text scrolls smoothly again. 4) Fixes the scroll bar so that it provides an accurate indication of how far through the page I've read, since the non-text crap I don't care ab…

Firefox has one.

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by redleggedfrog »

This battle will never be won by those who oppose the pop-ups. The reason? They work.

If you put one on your site the metrics show a definite upturn in conversion, be it sales or sign-ups or whatever you're pushing. Then you take it down for awhile maybe, then you put it back up with something different and you get the upturn again.

I personally despise them with every bone in my body, but I don't see them ever going away.

Re: No, I Don’t Want to Subscribe to Your Newsletter

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Post by jasonkostempski »

orblivion wrote: post #114
rabboRubble wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can your add-on remove all mentions of the Kardashians, Taylor Swift, Kanye, and Bruce/Caitlin Jenner?

If you get no response you can safely assume the answer is yes :-P

After I added the rule to try i didn't see the comment :)
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