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Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.

Yes, the world was better when Flash and Silverlight were the media of choice for delivering video.

How is that even an argument? That's a false dilemma. The choice isn't limited to binary blob Flash/Silverlight vs binary blob DRM plugin.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

#82

They really needed DRM to survive. It's great that they can run a sandbox in my computer so I can watch videos, something which wasn't possible with the open web standards. By the way, here's the list of titles which weren't pirated thanks to DRM: .

If they need DRM in "open" web standards then they deserve to go out of business.

Who are you saying deserves to go out of business? Netflix? Because I can assure you Linux users that insist on Firefox support instead of just Chrome will not be the difference between them being in business or not. They themselves tend to be pretty understanding of the whole anti-DRM thing and contribute to FOSS technology more than most companies, but they cooperate with DRM content because that actually is the difference between them being in business and not. I get that we don't like DRM, but I've seen speakers who work for Netflix get yelled at on stage at open-source tech conferences over it. Not helping. The same is true if you meant Mozilla deserves to go out of business. This attitude of "anyone who isn't 100% in line with my principles should be removed from society" is just getting taken too far. It's stupid.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

#83

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Yes, the world was better when Flash and Silverlight were the media of choice for delivering video.

It was indeed, since people had started recognizing the problems with Flash and Silverlight, and they'd have been much easier to kill off. DRM should have stayed second-class, leaving the way open for competitors to offer a first-class web experience as long as they left DRM behind.

> leaving the way open for competitors to offer a first-class web experience as long as they left DRM behind.

Competitors already exist in this area. Here is GoG's listening of DRM-free movies: https://www.gog.com/movies?sort=bestselling&page=1

It is very rare that I find something I want to watch here, where as the content I generally want to watch, sadly, exists behind a DRM-wall.

Services/competitors are a dime a dozen, but the issue is driving users to your service, and I don't believe users will run to watch content they don't want to watch just because it is DRM free. I also don't feel like we will force content creators to go DRM free since, as we're seeing, everyone is releasing their own streaming service, which would include DRM.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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I don't get it. I can still make a recording of my screen can't I?

You can in the sense of pointing a video camera at the screen and recording it. But if you want to capture the pixels before they are converted into light, HDCP may prevent you from doing so [1]. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

Nope, there's a company in Shenzhen that makes a plug-and-play bypass device: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/warner-bros-sues...

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment, I'd rather have the latter. Yes, in ideal world there will be DRM-free streaming - but unfortunately that's unrealistic.

> When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment Why? That puts the cost of DRM on everyone except the ones who want to freeload on our open tech to take our freedom away. And that's ass backwards. You want non-free and closed? Cool deal. Go build it yourself.

You want free and open? Go build that yourself. People do build Firefox and chrome without this, go download them and enjoy yourself.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.

It's true but it doesn't make sense IMO for the buck to stop at Netflix. If Netflix could have talked content providers into allowing them to use an open-source "DRM" that worked for ordinary users but which could probably be circumvented by someone with programming skills, this wouldn't happen. The problem is that legally Netflix could be on the hook for any copyright infringement that may have been facilitated by their service. Crucially, the definition of "facilitated" can include not taking enough precautions to prevent it, and apparently using an open-source script that imperfectly prevents copying is still enough to expose Netflix to liability.

The laws must be ordered in a way that allows streaming video to be sold to users of open-source software. It's not like the current scheme is entirely resistant to pirates anyway. It's very much like the Drug War in that externalities affecting individuals who have done nothing wrong begin to exceed the damage caused by the "crime".

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

#87
Let them release their own video (which they create) DRM-free. Otherwise their disgusting efforts of pushing EME into HTML standard are also backed by stinking hypocrisy, of claiming in not being interested in DRM themselves.

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Houses get broken into even when they have locks, so why do you keep a lock on your house?

This terrible analogy would only be remotely close if your house was copied to millions of people, and a single person breaking in could expose everything inside to everyone on the Internet.

So it's ok to steal things that are easy to steal?

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

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Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.

When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment, I'd rather have the latter. Yes, in ideal world there will be DRM-free streaming - but unfortunately that's unrealistic.

> but unfortunately that's unrealistic.

Why is it unrealistic? Hollywood just needs to be pushed harder. It worked for music no?

Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix

#90
I have been using Netflix on Firefox under Linux for a long while now. All that was required was changing my user agent...

The only recent change here is that the user agents for Firefox on Linux are finally allowed.

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