Not with DRM thoroughly disabled across the line, it won't.
And I'm not happy to see web-sites and services "available" for a specific OS nor browser. That's like going back to the 90s. Not cool.
Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
What Netflix is doing that hurts the web is opposing net neutrality now that they're big enough they can bargain for special treatment. This—on the other hand—provides a replacement for use cases which used poorly-supported, insecure, and battery-hungry proprietary plugins. I run Safari with no extensions and having this for Netflix and Amazon is fantastic. I trust Apple to patch security vulnerabilities and the brow…
You're not getting EME extensions from Apple, you're getting them from the third-party that developed the extensions. You can count on terrible security vulnerabilities being found in these. Movies aren't important. Netflix isn't important. The open web, the ideology (or as you put it pejoratively, "purity") behind it, is important.
You don't need to Trojan-horse DRM into W3C standards to kill the web. Facebook Instant Articles, Google AMP, adtech, and general trends toward centralization are doing that just fine with no changes in standards whatsoever.
The amount of heat this change has generated is disproportionate to its actual role as a threat to the open web
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#43Does anyone else find it extremely off putting that companies that are supposed tech leaders are pushing "web" features to a subset of browsers? I really have trouble accepting the fragmentation in the web world. This includes less extreme cases like mobile/desktop versions of browsers without user ability to toggle between the two. Stuff on the web should just work on all browsers. How did we get to this point, seri…
> Stuff on the web should just work on all browsers. How did we get to this point, seriously?
This isn't any different from the compatibility issues across desktop operating systems. You wouldn't expect a mac desktop app binary to "just work" when double-clicked on a Windows OS.
I know, the web supposedly has a standard that should make this argument null, but the fact is browsers are basically being used as though they're little mini-operating systems by both consumers and developers. This kind of fragmentation has historically been just something that happens as each "operating environment"'s maintainers implement their own flavor of whatever, standards be damned.
And even with a completely coherent, well-formed standard, browsers will have (sometimes subtly) different behaviors between operating system implementations that will make 100% standards compliance forever be relegated to "nice to have" status.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#44Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.
When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment, I'd rather have the latter. Yes, in ideal world there will be DRM-free streaming - but unfortunately that's unrealistic.
> When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment
Why? That puts the cost of DRM on everyone except the ones who want to freeload on our open tech to take our freedom away.
And that's ass backwards.
You want non-free and closed? Cool deal. Go build it yourself.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Netflix wouldn't be a viable business if not for DRM. Why is everyone so upset? Having the option to use DRM in native web APIs is not a bad thing.
>Netflix wouldn't be a viable business if not for DRM. Uh, why not? All Netflix series are already getting pirated even with DRM.
Houses get broken into even when they have locks, so why do you keep a lock on your house?
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Netflix wouldn't be a viable business if not for DRM. Why is everyone so upset? Having the option to use DRM in native web APIs is not a bad thing.
>Netflix wouldn't be a viable business if not for DRM. Uh, why not? All Netflix series are already getting pirated even with DRM.
Because the studios are the ones demanding DRM. I was under the impression that netflix original content is actually far more relaxed on restrictions (I don't recall where I heard this). They don't want DRM necessarily, but if they say "DRM is not an option" then the change of getting major studios on board is 0.
And even if you take netflix original content out of the picture, that applies. their "viable business" is "stream other people's content" and "other people" have to agree to that, and won't without DRM.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#47Does this use Firefox's super-sandboxed Adobe CDM module [0]? [0] https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/05/12/update-on-digital-r...
It may use Google's Widevine, since Firefox recently started supporting it.
IIRC I remember seeing something in a forum that it is widevine, and that it had already worked in FF since whichever release included it (1-3 releases ago) if the UA was spoofed, but this could be somone's failed test and a bad memory..
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#48Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.
I thought that the only change was that the DRM mechanism was turned into an open standard. How is this worse than before? As someone that occasionally uses Linux, I think it's great that Netflix works there now. Previously, the audience on Linux wasn't worth the development effort for Netflix.
Am I missing something? Is this a case where an open standard is a bad thing?
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment, I'd rather have the latter. Yes, in ideal world there will be DRM-free streaming - but unfortunately that's unrealistic.
> When the choice is between proprietary apps or DRM for multimedia content inside open web environment Why? That puts the cost of DRM on everyone except the ones who want to freeload on our open tech to take our freedom away. And that's ass backwards. You want non-free and closed? Cool deal. Go build it yourself.
Free as in freedom means companies are free to add things like DRM if the want and consumers are free to choose services that don't go down that path.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#50They really needed DRM to survive. It's great that they can run a sandbox in my computer so I can watch videos, something which wasn't possible with the open web standards. By the way, here's the list of titles which weren't pirated thanks to DRM: .
If they need DRM in "open" web standards then they deserve to go out of business.