No thx, I will watch it on my phone or TV.
Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I thought that the only change was that the DRM mechanism was turned into an open standard. How is this worse than before? As someone that occasionally uses Linux, I think it's great that Netflix works there now. Previously, the audience on Linux wasn't worth the development effort for Netflix. Am I missing something? Is this a case where an open standard is a bad thing?
> Am I missing something? Is this a case where an open standard Yes. The bit where this is an "open standard" to implement completely closed, non-standard plugins, which cannot be implemented by reading the spec. With this "open standard" any browser or OS not blessed by Hollywood can't have a full web experience. And I take great issues with that.
Another way to look at it is that Netflix isn't part of the web.
I suppose that viewpoint admits that obstinance on the part of Firefox was not going to get Netflix to offer their service without DRM.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, the world was better when Flash and Silverlight were the media of choice for delivering video.
That wasn't his central point I don't think, also Flash and Silverlight where largely beaten by the Open Web because they never got the adoption sufficient to rival it. So instead they lobbied for it to be built in, the day will come when view source won't work anymore because everything fed down will protected by DRM and we moved another step closer to turning the web into a gigantic walled garden for whoever the in…
Flash's peak marketshare was over 99%. They had the adoption.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#74on the upside, I can now watch Netflix on Linux using Firefox, and I can opt in or opt out of the DRM facilities...
on the downside, as everybody else has pointed out, we now have DRM encroaching onto an open standard.
I guess I'll take it as I go.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#75They really needed DRM to survive. It's great that they can run a sandbox in my computer so I can watch videos, something which wasn't possible with the open web standards. By the way, here's the list of titles which weren't pirated thanks to DRM: .
I don't get it. I can still make a recording of my screen can't I?
You can in the sense of pointing a video camera at the screen and recording it.
But if you want to capture the pixels before they are converted into light, HDCP may prevent you from doing so [1].
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm glad Linux/Firefox can Netflix, but I'd like it if web standards were open and not patent encumbered. The actual web standard is open. Netflix was one of the key players in making this an open extensible standard instead of it being an extension or plugin for browsers.
It's still a binary blob, isn't it?
Correct. The Web API is standardized, but how the engine interfaces with the actual content decryption modules is not.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Netflix wouldn't be a viable business if not for DRM. Uh, why not? All Netflix series are already getting pirated even with DRM.
Why not? Shareholder accountability. "We didn't bother protecting our content, and yes, sales are down 25% year over year, but..." Fired.
Can you explain how this works? If there was no DRM, how would that lower their sales? Last I checked, things on Netflix were easily downloadable via torrents.
Are you suggesting that there are many shows on Netflix that someone wants to pirate, but the DRM is preventing them?
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may use Google's Widevine, since Firefox recently started supporting it.
IIRC I remember seeing something in a forum that it is widevine, and that it had already worked in FF since whichever release included it (1-3 releases ago) if the UA was spoofed, but this could be somone's failed test and a bad memory..
Correct.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#79Translation: Netflix successfully lobied DRM into what is supposed to be the OPEN web standard, to the point where even Firefox couldn't afford not to support it. Dark days for the free exchange of information enabled by the web.
I thought that the only change was that the DRM mechanism was turned into an open standard. How is this worse than before? As someone that occasionally uses Linux, I think it's great that Netflix works there now. Previously, the audience on Linux wasn't worth the development effort for Netflix. Am I missing something? Is this a case where an open standard is a bad thing?
First, the DRM is still not standard. Only the interface to it is. Every browser must still deal directly with the DRM provider and hope to reach an agreement with them, both technically and financially. As a result, only certain platforms are supported. New browsers face a new barrier to entry, in particular - the exact opposite of how the Web is support to work.
Second, this is worse in the sense that Netflix, Google, and Microsoft - creators of EME - have gotten the W3C to support DRM. That's not just a symbolic blow.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't get it. I can still make a recording of my screen can't I?
There are quite many ways "pirates" capture a video. Recording the screen is probably the last resort and makes you end up with a very low quality copy. But yes, until they also build in the technology they have in PlayStations (Cinavia) to video cameras, that is the most obvious leak.
I would think you could hook into X11 to do this quite nicely.