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It may be funny, but at the same time it's great to see this kind of feedback directly from the customers to the company. If someone listens up there, sooner or later they'll realize there is more money in the subscription business than in one-time OS purchases, and they will put the money where the mouth is.
I'm guessing (especially when you consider that OS X is in there) that it has more to do with the support burden and small number of people using Linux as a desktop OS than trying to get people to buy Windows.
Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
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Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
#232MS giveth and MS taketh away.
MS giveth and I'd wish they'd take it away. I can't turn Onedrive off because I'm on Windows 10 Home edition (thanks to the forced upgrade from Win 7). I don't use it but everytime I access a share on my linux box, it pops up and want to be configured.
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
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Really? Because nothing grinds my gears more than fake sympathy/empathy coupled with an inability/unwillingness to understand my problem and an urgency to get me off the phone. Which is pretty much how customer support works. What I want from customer support is for someone to take the time to understand why I am calling. Not to pat me on the head and tell me things will be alright while urgently trying to get rid of…
But that is exactly what the GP said. You want somebody to care about you and your problem and to make an effort to solve it.
I disagree. When I call support I'm not looking to commiserate or share my misfortune. I'm looking for acknowledgement of and resolution to a problem.
This view that empathy is what's important is the reason why hold messages say "your call is important to us" and why all customer support feigns empathy to my emotional plight when I call them about anything.
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
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Obviously it works on Linux; the slow down is the direct result of OneDrive's User-Agent based code paths.
This. People forget that they're _actively_ appearing to break it by using this UA detection. No company should _ever_ use user-agents for feature detection, because user agents themselves are screwy in so many ways [0]. Honestly, I feel like this was someone actively deciding to break the system on Linux (or any unrecognised UA). Wouldn't any reasonable developer just send back a fully-featured page if they couldn't…
Wrong.
There are plenty of bugs that cannot be detected using feature detection, especially with events and elements. Sometimes you can find a browser-agnostic workaround, but sometimes the only solution is to sniff the browser.
It is especially necessary if you need to support "obsolete" browsers that your customers still use.
It is important to really try and avoid browser sniffing when "fixing" bugs in current versions of browsers (since your "fix" is likely to break in future versions).
Note, feature detection usually implies that you are using JavaScript.
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
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Bullshit If you were a Linux user in the mid-90's, then about the only place to get "help" was #linux on EFnet. Collectively, I don't think I've suffered more abuse on the internet than in that forum. And, yes, I'm still bitter. It was NOT a noob-friendly place. The best place -- ever -- to get Linux help was, and will always have been, the Gentoo forums, but that didn't take off till the early 2000's.
I wonder how much of Linux's recent success (I know it's still a tiny fraction) is just because of Google. I can't imagine using Linux if you take away the ability to Google. The fact that usually the results are posts by actual people and not some company stooge makes a world of difference.
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
#236Considering that there are places in the world where government employees must use Linux due to regulations, and Microsoft is moving ever closer to cloud delivered services, one would think that they want to support Linux as an OS. [0] [0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/03/frenc...
Maybe it's just expensive to support
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
#237"Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding." - Hanlon's razor I worked as a Microsoft employee on the xbox.com website from 2007-2010. We didn't officially support any browsers on Linux because it represented We supplied a list of officially supported browsers to the customer support team. Any bugs on non-supported browsers would never get reported back to our team, so we'd never hear about them.…
Terrible customer service here is undeniable though. Customer support should gain you customers, not lose them. Microsoft needs to address that.
I don't think anyone has figured out how to scale this correctly.
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
#238This was reported on /r/linux yesterday: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60nj67/office_365_on... This user did some experimentation with user agents to narrow down the bug: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/60nj67/office_365_on...
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
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It works fine in every browser, but you might need to download a small plugin if you're not on Chrome due to WebRTC being a standard but not a standard. Regardless of your browser, it'll heat your system up so you can fry an egg or broil a steak.
Yeah the Hangouts website is my main gripe with it. Great service for talking with friends and family. Absolutely horrible performance on their site. Something to do with WebGL being used during background transitions would drop the performance of my graphics card into the dirt. Games running at the same time would incur a frame drop of 90% for the 5 seconds Hangouts is merely changing a PICTURE..
Re: Onedrive is slow on Linux but fast with a “Windows” user-agent (2016)
#240"Don't assume bad intentions over neglect and misunderstanding." - Hanlon's razor I worked as a Microsoft employee on the xbox.com website from 2007-2010. We didn't officially support any browsers on Linux because it represented We supplied a list of officially supported browsers to the customer support team. Any bugs on non-supported browsers would never get reported back to our team, so we'd never hear about them.…
Wouldn't this filter out a lot of legitimate bugs that just happened to be discovered first on an unsupported browser?