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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by test1235 »

gtrubetskoy wrote: post #74

> "We estimate that 16.8 million of these people are professional developers and university-level students." I wonder if it is relatively safe to infer from this that there are ~16.8 million developers in the world? Are there developers who never visit stackoverflow? I'd expect that number to be higher, even though 16.8M is a lot. Also if you take all "years since learning to code" up to "9-10", they add up to 50.6%,…

> Are there developers who never visit stackoverflow?

Would non-English speakers visit?

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by paradite »

yulaow wrote: post #19
SiVal wrote: post #14

I'm surprised to see "platforms" as Win: 41%, Desktop Linux: 33%, Mac: 18.4%. Presumably this question was about the machine you use to develop software on. The reason I'm surprised has nothing to do with any advocacy. It's just that whenever I look around at a non-Apple dev conference in the US (Web, for example), it looks as though fewer than 1/5 of the machines are NON-Macs, while the answer to the question above…

Outside of US, very few people use macs compared to you. Here in euw even in a CS course, engineering class in a top university or hackathon in a big startup incubator I can see like 1 macbook every 30 standard notebooks. Reason is simple: they are very overpriced for ours salaries (and I am in a first world country, I think their costs are prohibitive in places like India/Cina/etc) and - personal reason - as a webde…

The situation is entirely the other way round here in Singapore (for the younger generation).

I used to run Linux on a laptop, but eventually I gave up and switched to Macbook so that I don't have to deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis.

In my university, 60%-70% of CS students use a Macbook. They are not working or attending conferences yet, so the change is going to take some time.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by vmasto »

gtrubetskoy wrote: post #74

> "We estimate that 16.8 million of these people are professional developers and university-level students." I wonder if it is relatively safe to infer from this that there are ~16.8 million developers in the world? Are there developers who never visit stackoverflow? I'd expect that number to be higher, even though 16.8M is a lot. Also if you take all "years since learning to code" up to "9-10", they add up to 50.6%,…

Note that this data excludes the vast majority of Chinese software engineers (they represent just 0.4666% of the total survey responders)

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by hoschicz »

amelius wrote: post #68

Some things that stand out: - The "web" is not a platform? - France pays $10k less than Germany? US pays twice that of Europe? - People who work for a small company usually have many roles, so asking people to pick their role in a single-choice way seems not right.

> - France pays $10k less than Germany? US pays twice that of Europe?

Yes, France has higher taxation and politically leans left, even compared to Europe. That's weighted out by strong labor laws.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by kbart »

shagie wrote: post #78
kbart wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developers that attend conferences in USA are very small and biased subset of total developers worldwide. For vast majority of developers attending a conference in USA would cost few to several months worth of salary, so it's no brainer. Not to mention bullish USA border controls that makes people (especially non-white) think twice before traveling. I haven't seen many developers using Macs outside of USA and few Wes…

The big / national tech conferences - yes. They are expensive. There are many local or regional ones that are much less expensive. I'm heading to a regional one in August that is registered as a nonprofit and is less than a week's salary to attend (and I work in the public sector in the Midwest so don't think that this is big left cost salary). That said, even with a strong Microsoft bend to many session technologies…

Plane tickets, travel, hotel, catering alone can easily add up to few thousand dollars.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by k__ »

mbel wrote: post #44
k__ wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With me it's the other way around. I can do almost anything I need with Web tech. Desktop or even native mobile development seems to be like going back to the last century. I'm doing a native mobile project next month, and looking at the stuff a iOS dev needs to get going is horrible.

> Desktop or even native mobile development seems to be like going back to the last century. The funny thing is that looking from the opposite perspective I feel the same. The web development looks like going back to beginnings of programming and reinventing everything again in the browser. You know, like when you read about 'tree shaking' being cutting edge technology in JavaScript land, then look at definition to r…

You're right, these optimisations are missing and all the fancy autocomplete of the IDEs for typed languages that are used on the desktop are missing, too.

I don't know, maybe it just seems better to me, because I'm doing Web for so long now.

When I see desktop/mobile with Qt, Java or C#, I see huge IDEs, runtime environments and SDKs and with iOS even vendor lock-in, simulators and whatnot.

When I see Web with JavaScript, I see tiny editors, browsers that are already installed on every machine and bring all the SDKs and runtime environments, fast iterations, a good package system and general simplicity.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by TorKlingberg »

nol13 wrote: post #11
aikorevs wrote: post #5

Just learned that: Most Popular Languages by Occupation For Sysadmin / DevOps no 1 is JavaScript For Data Scientist / Engineer no 1 is JavaScript

My instant takeaway: Does China have their own version of stack overflow or is it due to the firewall? That many more developers in India vs. China or is English just more commonly spoken in India?

English is much more widely spoke in India. It used to be a British colony, and English is an official language.
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